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ganjavih
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Can you explain?
Can you explain?
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Iran scientists have more freedom than N.american scientists
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bizorky
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ganjavih, you wrote:
Your sentence suggests restrictions of freedom of movement for women (which there are in Iran). Your opinion suggests that it is not significant to you (you state this as so). As a male, it may may not be significant to you, but it is very significant to women who are being identified solely by their sex for such curtailment of activities.
ganjavih, you wrote:
but I don't think the restriction of freedom of movement for women is a significant one.
Your sentence suggests restrictions of freedom of movement for women (which there are in Iran). Your opinion suggests that it is not significant to you (you state this as so). As a male, it may may not be significant to you, but it is very significant to women who are being identified solely by their sex for such curtailment of activities.
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ganjavih
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Re: Iran scientists have more freedom than N.american scient
Let me clarify. I did not mean that restrictions on freedom of movement are not significant, I meant that it is not a significant problem in Iran, AFAIK. Do you have information to suggest otherwise?
Let me clarify. I did not mean that restrictions on freedom of movement are not significant, I meant that it is not a significant problem in Iran, AFAIK. Do you have information to suggest otherwise?
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bizorky
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What kind of specific information are you looking for? I don't have access to all the particulars in that country, but there are many acts of restriction that have been put into place by the government. I recall that there was to be a law requiring the segregation of women's and men's health care. I have no idea whether such legislation has been made law. Presently, there are restrictions placed on many aspects of education and employment. Women are not allowed to attend live sporting events. Images of wome are not allowed to be published on the covers of newspapers or journals. There are, of course, the obvious restrictions on women's dress. It is also against the law to publish or discuss women's rights unless such communication strictly conforms to the government's interpretation of Islamic law.
As to whether all citizens of Iran view these things as problematic, I have no idea. I would assume not. But such actions do represent restriction, and some would obviously represent a restriction on movement, in my opinion.
What kind of specific information are you looking for? I don't have access to all the particulars in that country, but there are many acts of restriction that have been put into place by the government. I recall that there was to be a law requiring the segregation of women's and men's health care. I have no idea whether such legislation has been made law. Presently, there are restrictions placed on many aspects of education and employment. Women are not allowed to attend live sporting events. Images of wome are not allowed to be published on the covers of newspapers or journals. There are, of course, the obvious restrictions on women's dress. It is also against the law to publish or discuss women's rights unless such communication strictly conforms to the government's interpretation of Islamic law.
As to whether all citizens of Iran view these things as problematic, I have no idea. I would assume not. But such actions do represent restriction, and some would obviously represent a restriction on movement, in my opinion.
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ganjavih
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Re: Iran scientists have more freedom than N.american scient
While your points are valid, they are not examples of freedom of movement limitations.
While your points are valid, they are not examples of freedom of movement limitations.
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bizorky
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Again, fascinating on how you wish to focus exclusively on a restricted definition of "movement" at the expense of recognizing that other cultural and religious curtailments actually affect the right of movement of women in Iran. Restrictions on dress code do affect movement. Family law practices that give husbands or fathers dominance over family life affect the movement of women (they can impose their own broad range of restraints). Restrictions on employment affect movement. Those are just some examples.
Why ignore the broader concept of movement? When women's rights organizations suggest that there are restrictions on the freedom of movement of women in Iran, are they being untruthful? When women's organizations in Iran petition their own government for greater movement and accessibility rights, would they not be doing so in recognition that their "freedom" of movement is quite restricted?
Again, fascinating on how you wish to focus exclusively on a restricted definition of "movement" at the expense of recognizing that other cultural and religious curtailments actually affect the right of movement of women in Iran. Restrictions on dress code do affect movement. Family law practices that give husbands or fathers dominance over family life affect the movement of women (they can impose their own broad range of restraints). Restrictions on employment affect movement. Those are just some examples.
Why ignore the broader concept of movement? When women's rights organizations suggest that there are restrictions on the freedom of movement of women in Iran, are they being untruthful? When women's organizations in Iran petition their own government for greater movement and accessibility rights, would they not be doing so in recognition that their "freedom" of movement is quite restricted?
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Poetic Revival
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ganjavih says,
Then why does the ADL and B'nai Brith label those that oppose Israel and it's policies "anti-semetic" if Israel and Judaism are so very different like you say?
ganjavih says,
.Unfortunately, people still equate the state of Israel and Zionism with Judaism in general. They are very different things.
Then why does the ADL and B'nai Brith label those that oppose Israel and it's policies "anti-semetic" if Israel and Judaism are so very different like you say?
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cdl42
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Because "unfortunately, people still equate the state of Israel and Zionism with Judaism in general."
He didn't specify WHO were the ones doing the equating.
Because "unfortunately, people still equate the state of Israel and Zionism with Judaism in general."
He didn't specify WHO were the ones doing the equating.