What advantage does it allow over the plane? Overnight Montreal to Toronto I can see a market, but not for 24+ hour trips…Got to check out a sleeper coach yesterday. The seating is designed to change into a bed. This coach was from the US. I’m not sure if anyone in Canada offers this. Is there potential for this type of service in Ontario to Manitoba or Quebec?
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But for your scenario it wouldn't be just ONR (bus), it would be every municipal transit service that touches it. A single trip fare on NB Transit is $3.25. who makes up their lost revenue? Fare integration is beneficial for commuting; not so much for travelling.It should be easy to integrate ONR trips into the presto fare system since it's run by the Government anyway. It would allow you to fare integrate your last mile trip. For example if you take the ONR bus to 407 station your subway GO fare up to $2.80 is free? Or North Bay Transit or OC Transportation. This also means you don't need to buy a separate ticket.
In japan your bullet train ticket includes your Tokyo local fare. When you get off the station master will adjust your fare accordingly and you pay any difference in costs when you exit.
The rider could pay the difference. Like paying $.50 to ride the bus to the GO train.But for your scenario it wouldn't be just ONR (bus), it would be every municipal transit service that touches it. A single trip fare on NB Transit is $3.25. who makes up their lost revenue? Fare integration is beneficial for commuting; not so much for travelling.
Doesn't answer the question. Assuming NB Transit is like every other municipal transit service, it's not a profit centre. Who makes up the difference between one bum in a seat paying $3.25 and the next one $0.50? Highway coaches are not walk on-walk off, they are booked tickets.The rider could pay the difference. Like paying $.50 to ride the bus to the GO train.
Fair enough (no pun intended, but in Ontario terms, where do you draw the integrated circle? I would think there has to be a reasonable level of regular commuter traffic within the area. Expecting local transit services in places like Owen Sound, Bracebridge or North Bay to be somehow integrated into the GTA seems rather silly.I’d like to share my experiences growing up in the Frankfurt area as the center of the Rhein-Main Verkehrsverbund (RMV, think: Transport for London, but for the Frankurt and Rhine-Main Area):
Note that “organized” does not mean the same as “operated”: The RMV does progressively tender out more and more rail or bus services, as required by EU directives, i.e. it’s moving away from the TTC model to the GO model (where rail operations have been tendered and contracted out to ONxpress).
- Rail transit (heavy rail only, like Regional Express, Regionalbahn or S-Bahn) are the responsibilities of the States, which are funding them through transit networks. In the case of Hessen, that is the Nordhessischer Verkehrsverbund (NVV) in the Kassel Area, the Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Neckar (VRN) in its most southern county, whereas the RMV covers the vast bulk of its territory and population.
- Regional bus lines are also organized by the RMV.
- Urban and local bus lines or urban rail transit (like trams or subways) are organized by “local transit organizations”, which are sub-organizations of the RMV.
In terms of fares, the same fares are applied to all types of transit, which have zones and are thus somewhat proportional to distance, a bit like GO’s price structure, just that they apply to all networks and operators. However, this is mostly meaningless in times where the “Deutschlandticket” provides a nationwide flatrate for 58 Euros (C$90).
The key point here is that the RMV collects all fares and distributes them (together with operational subsidies) to its local transit organizations, so that they can fund and expand their services. Thanks to the PRESTO card and the ridership data it automatically generates, this process would be much simpler in Ontario than for the RMV…
I wasn’t suggesting that the German model is suitable or desirable for Ontario, just that all the challenges we’ve heard so far (fare integration, conflicting jurisdictions, fare distribution, lack of coordination) can be overcome if there is a political will…Fair enough (no pun intended, but in Ontario terms, where do you draw the integrated circle? I would think there has to be a reasonable level of regular commuter traffic within the area. Expecting local transit services in places like Owen Sound, Bracebridge or North Bay to be somehow integrated into the GTA seems rather silly.
It has already happened with GO’s rail operations, but it’s not a pre-requisite for adapting the German model. In fact, Germany’s model worked fine with large municipal incumbants equivalent to the TTC, OC Transpo and whoever operates transit in places like London, Hamilton and KW…Contracting out large urban transit in the GTA would be a battle royale.
YRT is entirely contracted out alreadyContracting out large urban transit in the GTA would be a battle royale.
It has already happened with GO’s rail operations, but it’s not a pre-requisite for adapting the German model. In fact, Germany’s model worked fine with large municipal incumbants equivalent to the TTC, OC Transpo and whoever operates transit in places like London, Hamilton and KW…
I was thinking of the TTC without actually saying it.YRT is entirely contracted out already
That's probably why it runs on time, has more granular schedules, and the operators strictly enforce fare policies.YRT is entirely contracted out already




