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High Speed Rail: London - Kitchener-Waterloo - Pearson Airport - Toronto

Bear in mind that "High Speed Rail" is a very loose term, and the short answer is "no, it won't be *High Speed Rail* in the hyped form" (Over 200 mph). It will be *Higher Speed Rail* (over 110 mph to 125mph)(= 200 kph), and HFR fits that exquisitely.
 
alexanderglista said:
I just wanted to post the link to the previous HSR pre-study done by the Ontario government in 2014 for people who haven't seen it or are new to this thread.

Toronto – Kitchener - London Ontario High Speed Rail
Pre- Feasibility Study prepared for Ontario Ministry of Transport Commercial in Confidence
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Yeah, that's good reference, because that is not going to be announced. People are going to have to lower their expectations, and hit the target, rather than aim too high and miss.

Watch for the term "High Speed Rail" to be redefined to the UIC one:
What is High Speed Rail?
High speed rail is not only a technical subject, but encompasses a complex reality involving various technical aspects such as infrastructure, rolling stock and operations and cross-sector issues such as financial, commercial, managerial and training aspects. The high speed rail system combines these various elements using highly sophisticated technology.

This rapidly expanding new transport mode is often described as the transport mode of the future for a number of reasons. As well as improving rail services, promoting the modern image they seek to convey and yielding greater customer satisfaction, high speed trains also play a key role in achieving territory integration and helping to create socio-economically balanced societies at world level.

This highly efficient transport mode makes significant demands in terms of investment, technology, industry, the environment and its political and social aspects.

There is no single standard definition of high speed rail. The definitions vary according to the criteria used since high speed rail corresponds to a complex reality.

In any case, high speed is a combination of a lot of elements which constitute a whole "system": infrastructure (new lines designed for speeds above 250 km/h and in some cases, upgraded existing lines for speeds up to 200 or even 220 km/h), rolling stock (special designed train sets), operating conditions and equipment, etc. In view of the fact that many high speed trains are also compatible with the conventional network, the term "high speed traffic" is also frequently understood to signify the movements of this type of train on conventional lines but at speeds lower than those permitted on the new high speed infrastructure.
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http://www.uic.org/highspeed
 
steveintoronto said:
Bear in mind that "High Speed Rail" is a very loose term, and the short answer is "no, it won't be *High Speed Rail* in the hyped form" (Over 200 mph). It will be *Higher Speed Rail* (over 110 mph to 125mph)(= 200 kph), and HFR fits that exquisitely.
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It reminds me of the one federal budget of Jim Flaherty 's that announced money for high speed rail for the Havelock subdivision to Peterborough. Everyone was wondering why Peterborough was going to get bullet trains, when in fact it was just to upgrade the track to allow for speeds higher than the current crawl speeds that the freights need to do due to the track conditions.
 
There's no way a private investor (which the bank needs) will fund the HSR to London. At best they do it to Kitchener. And if they do, they will want a lot of GO RER service improvements to Kitchener to be forestalled to feed their HSR line.

Like I said, the only way this happens is with VIA rail extending their HFR proposal to London.
 
So what happened to Collenette's report?

Was it squirreled away into the deep recesses of Queen's Park?
 
jje1000 said:
So what happened to Collenette's report?

Was it squirreled away into the deep recesses of Queen's Park?
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Timing is everything.

Look for a repeat use of the high speed rail idea shortly before June 7 of next year. That's only 386 days from now.

- Paul
 
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jje1000 said:
So what happened to Collenette's report?

Was it squirreled away into the deep recesses of Queen's Park?
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The Minister is in top secret meetings and deliberations over who should be the coffee vendor on these trains. Sometimes we forget how much the correct coffee impacts a service and can make or break it......fortunately we have a minister who is right on top of these things.
 
TOareaFan said:
The Minister is in top secret meetings and deliberations over who should be the coffee vendor on these trains. Sometimes we forget how much the correct coffee impacts a service and can make or break it......fortunately we have a minister who is right on top of these things.
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I for one want to know what is going to be done to prevent scalding of passengers!!! After all serving hot beverages on a moving vehicle is a relatively new idea.
 
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