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GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runway

Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

Deloitte, as the external auditor, is likely restricted from doing non-audit (by that they mean 'consulting' work) such as value-for-money audits. And yes, Deloitte has the capicity to do this work, but value-for-money stuff tends to be more an auditor general type job.
 
Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

What's wrong with finally having an airport we can be proud of? If the feds hadn't shafted Toronto for so long in the first place, we wouldn't be in this position.

The feds tried to build Toronto a brand-new, massive, multi-billion dollar airport in Pickering. The Torontonians (quite correctly) refused them.
 
Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

Now the feds want to build the GTA a brand-new, massive, multi-billion dollar highway (sorry, "transitway") through the Oak Ridges Moraine - and I hope Ontarians will (quite correctly) refuse them.
 
Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

unimaginative2

The Pickering project is still on the books as a regional reliever. It will result in the closure of Oshawa airport and also Buttonville (if it hasn't closed at the end of the current licence period as is rumoured - prime development land there). Go to the GTAA website, the planning docs are all there. If only Oshawa could be improved instead of paving over all that farmland with highways and runways...

In fairness, I think GTAA is doing a pretty bang up job at T1 - I have pointed several people in Dublin, Ireland to its master plan as a comparison to the screw-up currently being done there. The Blue22 project needs to be killed though and instead GO Trains from Woodbine or the airport Blue 22 terminal doing the job with a Weston stop to appease the locals.

The airport rents are what is killing Pearson - if the Tories want to cut taxes they can start there, but on condition that all rent reductions do towards reducing passenger charges and landing fees. Pearson rents should be no more on a per passenger/per cargo-tonne basis that Vancouver or Montreal.
 
Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

Why should the airport be subsidized? There are viable alternatives to Pearson, notably Munroe in Hamilton. I welcome the reinvestment in Pearson, but I don't think subsidies via rent or fee reductions are necessarily appropriate. Perhaps agreeing to pay a share of capital costs?
 
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afransen

how is it a subsidy exactly to bring Pearson's rents into line with Vancouver and Montreal?

As for Hamilton, it is squeezed between Buffalo being cheaper for intra-US flights (even Torontonians I know have driven to BUF to save money) and Toronto having more connections. Westjet and Canjet have come and gone. Air Canada can only make it work with 90 seaters.
 
Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

Rent should be fair across the country insofar as each airport pays the same cost per unit of value of the land they sit on. Pearson sits on prime real estate, so it's reasonable for the cost to be high. I won't claim to know what the value of the land is exactly or exactly how much the rent should be, but I cannot support a reduction in rents as a subsidy. Rent should however be changed to reflect fair rents vis-a-vis other airports in the country.
 
Re: GTAA needs to be curbed before it careens down the runwa

But the federal government won't allow the GTAA to buy the property. In addition, why is the land not treated like any other land in public control such as parks where park entry fees or rent is not expected to pay for the real estate value of the property. Is the airport on public land or is it not and is an airport a public asset or not? Why is the GTAA a not for profit... maybe they should be a for profit corporation since the government treats the airport property as a for profit asset. If the GTAA was allowed to go buy farmland and develop an airport then paying the market rate would make sense but the GTAA is held hostage by a government that mandated serious upgrades to an airport they let fall into disrepair and on land that was at one time farmland long paid off such that a full transfer of the land to the GTAA should have included title to the property.

A piece of land zoned airport can only be as valuable as an airport can be. The single floor light industrial properties surrounding the airport can't be that expensive. There is no point valuing the land as something other than an airport if the GTAA is not free to tear up the airport and convert it into a subdivision because that value is completely artificial.

In addition, Dorval is on the island of Montreal and Vancouver airport is on an island right up against the coast just south of some of the most expensive properties in the country in an area where land is scarce due to the mountain ranges.
 
Pearson airport fees criticized by Air Canada president

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MONTREAL (CP) - Toronto's Pearson International Airport was singled out as "the world's most expensive airport" at an international conference on the future of global air transport.


Air Canada (TSX:ACE.B) President Montie Brewer said in an interview that operating out of Pearson affects the airline's cost structure and the fares consumers in the Toronto area have to pay.
"And I truly believe it stunts the potential growth of the economy in Toronto and Ontario," Brewer said Thursday.

Jim May, President and CEO of the Air Transport Association of America, zeroed in on the Toronto airport during a speech to airline decision-makers from around the world.

May pointed out that Pearson charges more than double the rate charged at New York's La Guardia airport.

"A big part of that is the Crown rents environment that adds tens of millions of dollars to the cost structure of the airport without any discernible aviation benefit," he added.

Brewer also echoed the complaint about the high rents paid by the airport.

"It's a fairly significant part of the cost structure that needs to be addressed. . This is an issue all across Canada, but it's more pronounced at Pearson," he added.

May cited the Toronto airport as one of the many obstacles the troubled airline industry in the United States has had to deal with lately.

The airline executive said since the terrorists attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, overall airport fees, taxes and surcharges in the U.S. have risen to 30 per cent of a typical airline ticket.

In his speech, May also complained about air traffic control systems in the United States, saying even Mongolia is moving to a satellite-based modern system.

"The reality is our radar-based human-intensive analogue navigation forces us to operate in the 21st century using World War Two era technology," May said.

May said the U.S system was "old, antiquated and needs to be retired to the Smithsonian Museum in Washington as a relic of the past."

He noted that in 2005 air traffic control delays cost U.S. carriers an estimated $6 billion dollars US.

The head of Air Canada agreed, saying anything that slows down an efficient operation impacts the customer.

"Right now, there are a number of airports along the eastern seaboard where afternoon thunderstorms do show up and do slow down the routes you can use to access those airports" Brewer said.

"(It's) to the point where we are gonna start notifying customers who fly to La Guardia that if it's bad weather they should allow extra time in their plans because it is harder and harder for airlines to deliver on time when the infrastructure can't support the volume."

The air transport outlook conference was hosted by the International Civil Aviation Organization and the Airports Council International.

Shares in ACE Aviation, parent company of Air Canada, closed at $31.17, down three cents, on Thursday on the Toronto Stock Exchange.
 

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