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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

They are doing this to entice riders back as well as seeing how it effects ridership on each line, when people travel, and how much {if anything}" it will cost the system if it is made permanent. Metra has the advantage of having most of it's lines electrified so it doesn't suffer from GO's huge operational expense of diesel but conversely it's rider revenue per mile travelled is much lower than GO's.
Correction: Only 2 Metra Lines: the South Shore Line and Metra Electric are electrified (This claim is debatable since as far as I know the SSL isn't even officially part of Metra, so I'm not sure if this program even includes the SSL). The remaining 10 lines aren't.
 
I thought it was more than that so I stand corrected.

That said, it's even better for a comparison. Metra is definitely the most similar system to GO in NA if not all of the Americas. Both have both commuter only and all day routes, run on former freight lines, are mostly diesel, and radiate from a office heavy downtown in a similar sized lakefront city. This is an ideal situation for ML to see what such a policy does to ridership and revenues. ML can do all the studies it wants but only real life situations can give them a true picture and ML now has the benefit of seeing those results but with none of the risk.

This is truly a once in a lifetime opportunity for ML to see how such a flat fare system could {or could not} work in the GTAH.
 
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The scheduled travel times for GO local trains were all shortened by a few minutes in 2020 due to the drastically lower ridership, which produced shorter dwells at stations, as well as faster acceleration due to shorter trains. It sounds like (contrary to GO's proclamations of low ridership), ridership is returning to levels which require the extra schedule padding which was present pre-pandemic.
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Or, instead of slowing down train schedules, they could keep the local trains short (e.g. 6-car MP40 or 8-car MP54) and add supplemental express service during periods where more capacity is required. On LSW, they obviously need to reintroduce peak-period express service from Niagara and Hamilton (these can be longer trains), and during the midday they could run an hourly express service from West Harbour (cutting the local service back to Aldershot or Burlington).
 
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They should've just cancelled any track work today on both LW and Barrie as both the Gardiner and DVP were closed heading into downtown, and Line 1/2 both have delays/closures. They really need better planning all around the board in these situations. This would've been a great time to detour the west end weekend buses to Kipling terminal, but they instead chose Port Credit where the Lakeshore service is hourly and most likely over capacitated.
 
I was on the 11:16 LSW train this morning. It was absolutely packed by the time we hit Burlington, with the most passengers at Aldershot and basically full after Burlington GO itself. And the next two trains were packed as well; I got off at Burlington because I was standing at that point after a bathroom trip and had time to kill.

Really made me question how high demand is in this corridor. I didn’t ride LSW much when it was at its peak, so I wonder what we would need to run to actually meet demand (existing & induced in the future). There used to be 4ph if I’m not mistaken, and if we’re contemplating 10+ tph then LSW ridership might really take off.
 
They should've just cancelled any track work today on both LW and Barrie as both the Gardiner and DVP were closed heading into downtown, and Line 1/2 both have delays/closures. They really need better planning all around the board in these situations. This would've been a great time to detour the west end weekend buses to Kipling terminal, but they instead chose Port Credit where the Lakeshore service is hourly and most likely over capacitated.
I know they've definitely done coordination in the past to avoid double-closures (e.g. LSW Line + Gardiner on same weekend, or Barrie Line + DVP), but clearly it's not consistently working given this weekend's DVP & Gardiner closures and LSW & Barrie cutbacks were both planned well in advance.
 
I was on the 11:16 LSW train this morning. It was absolutely packed by the time we hit Burlington, with the most passengers at Aldershot and basically full after Burlington GO itself. And the next two trains were packed as well; I got off at Burlington because I was standing at that point after a bathroom trip and had time to kill.

Really made me question how high demand is in this corridor. I didn’t ride LSW much when it was at its peak, so I wonder what we would need to run to actually meet demand (existing & induced in the future). There used to be 4ph if I’m not mistaken, and if we’re contemplating 10+ tph then LSW ridership might really take off.
Prior to the pandemic weekday midday service was 2tph Aldershot-Union + 1 tph Oakville-Union. There was a brief period just before the PM peak with consistent 15-minute service, but for the rest of the day there were a lot of 30-minute gaps, particularly in the counter-peak direction.

In September 2021 they implemented proper 15-minute or better weekday service from early morning to early evening, with supplemental 30-minute express service in the peak direction. In total it was 6 tph peak (4 local + 2 express) and 4tph local off-peak & counter-peak. Off-peak 15-minute service was eliminated in January 2022 due to operator shortages, and never has returned since.

Weekend service has never been better than local service every 30 minutes plus 4 express trains per day to Niagara (which have since been reduced to 3 despite mind-bogglingly high ridership).
 
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Okay so I just talked to a GO employee at Union Station and she shared a bunch of scheduling information with me.
(I’m going to rephrase it since my message was messy)

She said next weekend more weekend train service will be announced.
In the next month more Niagara service will return and should be printing physical train schedules pamphlets again since the schedules will be back to pre-COVID service levels

I really hope she’s right because that’s all amazing news.
 
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^ I hope that Union Station to Oshawa express train in the AM comes back. I wanted to ride it just for fun but didn't get the chance pre-covid.
 
^ I hope that Union Station to Oshawa express train in the AM comes back. I wanted to ride it just for fun but didn't get the chance pre-covid.
They'll be no regualar Lakeshore east express trains for at least 2 years, though more likely 3+ based on how much GO projects usually get delayed 🙄


The scheduled travel times for GO local trains were all shortened by a few minutes in 2020 due to the drastically lower ridership, which produced shorter dwells at stations, as well as faster acceleration due to shorter trains. It sounds like (contrary to GO's proclamations of low ridership), ridership is returning to levels which require the extra schedule padding which was present pre-pandemic.
comrspeed.jpg


Or, instead of slowing down train schedules, they could keep the local trains short (e.g. 6-car MP40 or 8-car MP54) and add supplemental express service during periods where more capacity is required. On LSW, they obviously need to reintroduce peak-period express service from Niagara and Hamilton (these can be longer trains), and during the midday they could run an hourly express service from West Harbour (cutting the local service back to Aldershot or Burlington).
Wait, you guys want slower trains to come back, really? I thought the whole point of efficient public transit was to get people from one place to another as fast as possible less but maybe I'm mistaken. Besides the main reason why the schedule was so padded was for optics. With the schedule padding that was in place GO transit could claim high on-time performance levels and reduce the chances of having to pay a refund for delays since trains could make up a lot of time by going full speed (i.e. normal speed prior to the change). The padding was so much that in order to reduced dwell times and save even more money(from fuel conservation) they implemented ridiclous speed and throttle limits between every stations which were almost all below 60mph. Let's no go backwards in time again please. If GO wants to be competitive with car travel and reduce dependacy on it they are going to have to continue reducing travel times going forward not increase it.
 
Okay so I just talked to a GO employee at Union Station and she shared a bunch of scheduling information with me.
(I’m going to rephrase it since my message was messy)

She said next weekend more weekend train service will be announced.
In the next month more Niagara service will return and should be printing physical train schedules pamphlets again since the schedules will be back to pre-COVID service levels

I really hope she’s right because that’s all amazing news.

Speaking of Niagara.. does anyone know what platform the Weekend Niagara trains are generally departing from this year? Usually they are on a consistent platform.
 

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