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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

Jonny5

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At least Long Branch Station has all-night service on TTC routes 301 and 315. I can't see many people using it, but at least you're not stranded.
There will totally be people who wind up there expecting that the train was going to Union, even if there are twenty announcements before the train leaves Aldershot, and those are the same people who likely don't have the transit route knowledge to figure out what to do next, or even where the streetcar loop is--because it isn't exactly visible from the platform. I assume there won't be an attendant in Long Branch station at those hours either so that will be fun times for them.

I wonder if there will be any unscheduled stops to let people out who didn't know what was happening. I recall during the PanAM games they had trains express from Toronto to Hamilton and they did make an unscheduled stop at Oakville once as several confused people were begging the CSA to have the train stop and let them off there, and not force them to go all the way to West Harbour.
 

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If they wanted to add extra late-night runs, ideally they would be facing out from Union, not inbound, but at the very least they have to stop at Union (or another destination station).
True - though at a minimum, they could simply stop at the stations they pass.

Doing what you would suggest would mean the first train would leave service (presumably westbound at Mimico) at 1:28 AM - 58 minutes later. If they simply stopped at the stations they are running express through it would only add 16 minutes, ending at Long Branch at 12:46 AM.

An interesting move.

There's other new rail changes. On the Kitchener line, they've tweaked the mid-day timetable, making most of the runs 3-minutes faster, and added the Etobicoke North, Weston, and Bloor stops to the 3 pm from Mount Pleasant finally. The final inbound train still skips these stops. Would nice to see counter-peak, evening, and weekend service ... if only to Bramalea. Particularly counter-peak where there's extensive traffic downtown.

And the final Unionville train (8 pm from Union) has been extended to Mount Joy.

Both of these minor changes may carry more passengers than the Long Branch midnight express! There's some minor timing changes on the Milton line too. Though the Barrie changes are the most significant.
 

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At least Long Branch Station has all-night service on TTC routes 301 and 315. I can't see many people using it, but at least you're not stranded.
The 301 is an excellent service after midnight as well. During the daytime it's about 75 minutes from Long Branch to Queen/Bay, with a change at Humber. At 2 AM, it moves like greased lightening and (after 11 pm) you don't have to change at Humber. The travel time on 301 from Long Branch to Queen/Bay is only 44 minutes after 2 AM (51 minutes at midnight). And it leaves every 9 minutes (until after 3 AM!). The GO train from Long Branch to Union is 25 minutes.

It's all the missed stops in 905 that are more disappointing.

It always had weekend service all the way to Allandale.
Currently there are 3 morning trains on Saturdays and Sundays from Allandale, at about 9, 10, and 11 AM. This adds a 4:20 PM and 8:40 PM train.

Northbound from Union there's currently trains at about 5 pm, 10 pm, and 11 pm. This adds an 11:40 AM train, and adjusts the later two trains (and adding one) to 9:40 pm, 10:40 pm, and 11:40 pm.

I'd have thought extending the 7:20 pm but perhaps not the 10:40 pm would have been better - but overall it's a great improvement for weekend service north of Aurora. There's still 7 northbound and 8 southbound trains on Saturdays and Sundays that terminate/start in Aurora. (there's no more trains total, they extended two existing runs from Aurora to Barrie and tweaked the schedule).
 
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Apologies if someone posted this upthread but good to see ONTC-MLX cooperation. More please.
We’ve partnered with Ontario Northland to make it easy to get to cottage country this summer. On Fridays from June 28 to August 30, an Ontario Northland bus will connect at Allandale Waterfront GO with the 4:10 p.m. Barrie line GO train from Union Station to take you to the Muskoka region. Return trips on Sundays from June 30 to September 1 connect to the 4:20 p.m. train from Allandale Waterfront GO making all stops to Toronto. Find out more here.
 

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The 301 is an excellent service after midnight as well. During the daytime it's about 75 minutes from Long Branch to Queen/Bay, with a change at Humber. At 2 AM, it moves like greased lightening and (after 11 pm) you don't have to change at Humber. The travel time on 301 from Long Branch to Queen/Bay is only 44 minutes after 2 AM (51 minutes at midnight). And it leaves every 9 minutes (until after 3 AM!). The GO train from Long Branch to Union is 25 minutes.

It's all the missed stops in 905 that are more disappointing.

Currently there are 3 morning trains on Saturdays and Sundays from Allandale, at about 9, 10, and 11 AM. This adds a 4:20 PM and 8:40 PM train.

Northbound from Union there's currently trains at about 5 pm, 10 pm, and 11 pm. This adds an 11:40 AM train, and adjusts the later two trains (and adding one) to 9:40 pm, 10:40 pm, and 11:40 pm.

I'd have thought extending the 7:20 pm but perhaps not the 10:40 pm would have been better - but overall it's a great improvement for weekend service north of Aurora. There's still 7 northbound and 8 southbound trains on Saturdays and Sundays that terminate/start in Aurora. (there's no more trains total, they extended two existing runs from Aurora to Barrie and tweaked the schedule).

Regarding the Long Branch night Express, if they really wanted people on using the service least they could is stop at bare minimum two stations between Aldershot and LB. Would make more sense that way there's guaranteed to be a few people using it
 

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Regarding the Long Branch night Express, if they really wanted people on using the service least they could is stop at bare minimum two stations between Aldershot and LB. Would make more sense that way there's guaranteed to be a few people using it
Port Credit (once Hurontario LRT up and running, assuming that it will run 24 hours), and Oakville would be what I would be thinking of.
 

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Lots of funny grumbles from parade atendees waiting for GO Trains home today.
"They should have doubled service for the rush hour!"
Because GO apparently has 200 spare coaches sitting around unused at 5:00 p.m. on a weekday. It's a good reminder how out of touch most people are with how things actually work and how impossible it is to ramp up service more than a few runs, nevermind all the other complications of track space and allotments at Union.
 

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Lots of funny grumbles from parade atendees waiting for GO Trains home today.
"They should have doubled service for the rush hour!"
Because GO apparently has 200 spare coaches sitting around unused at 5:00 p.m. on a weekday. It's a good reminder how out of touch most people are with how things actually work and how impossible it is to ramp up service more than a few runs, nevermind all the other complications of track space and allotments at Union.
I completely agree w/the above................though, I think, in fairness, it should be said that the original schedule for this event had it ending a couple of hours sooner. The inability to execute the parade on time certainly made matters worse.

There would have been some slack in the midday schedules (ramp up rush hour service levels 2 hours early) which would have provided a modest amount of relief.

Though I doubt the City or its transit agencies contemplated 2,000,000 attendees in any of their plans, perhaps 1/2 that, and that is reflected in a somewhat challenged outcome in terms of schedule and service.

Attendees, however, should be fully aware of the above; and go get a drink in a nice establishment west of Spadina or east of Jarvis and come back later!
 

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Currently there are 3 morning trains on Saturdays and Sundays from Allandale, at about 9, 10, and 11 AM. This adds a 4:20 PM and 8:40 PM train.

Northbound from Union there's currently trains at about 5 pm, 10 pm, and 11 pm. This adds an 11:40 AM train, and adjusts the later two trains (and adding one) to 9:40 pm, 10:40 pm, and 11:40 pm.

I'd have thought extending the 7:20 pm but perhaps not the 10:40 pm would have been better - but overall it's a great improvement for weekend service north of Aurora. There's still 7 northbound and 8 southbound trains on Saturdays and Sundays that terminate/start in Aurora. (there's no more trains total, they extended two existing runs from Aurora to Barrie and tweaked the schedule).
Are the late-night "improvements" on LSW the first we're seeing of the promised conversion of deadheads to revenue service? I know there were some super-express services introduced when mid-day service was increased on LSE and LSW.

The Barrie line changes appear to introduce additional deadheads.

Currently, there's just one: The 5pm NB trip continues past Aurora, so I understand that a 2nd trainset deadheads to Aurora to perform the SB trip at 6:11pm.

Now, I'm guessing there are an additional four:

#2: Since the noon departure NB is now leaving at 11:40am and continuing to Barrie, I'm guessing they will deadhead a train behind it to perform the 1pm SB trip from Aurora.

#3: Similarly, the now-9:30pm train continues to Barrie, so another train needs to come in to go SB at 10:41pm.

#4: The 4:20pm train SB from Barrie (arr Aurora 5:11pm) will also mean the 4pm NB trip (arr Aurora 4:51pm) will need to deadhead away.

#5: Similarly, the 8:40pm SB from Barrie (arr Aurora 9:31pm) means the 8:20pm NB (arr Aurora 9:11pm) needs to deadhead away as well.

What is preventing a more wholesale approach to converting deadheads to revenue service? Would be great to see an express Aurora<-->Union perhaps with stops at Downsview Park (for network connectivity) and Rutherford or Maple.

I wonder if Deadhead #5 will move to a siding, and then return to Aurora as Deadhead #3. Same with #4 returning to Aurora to perform the now-6:21pm trip.

It's a shame better use can't be made of the trains (and 1.5 platforms) at Bradford.
 

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