GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[Allandale25]

 

[Richard White]

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Is this wise? The Niagara Train already has more bikes than they can handle.

 

[Northern Light]

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GO has a ton of spare rolling stock sitting around, just convert one of the spares to a bike car.

I swear people make things look difficult that aren't.

 

[Allandale25]

Is this wise? The Niagara Train already has more bikes than they can handle.

 

[Richard White]

Yes because that is 1 pm on a Sunday.

9 AM on a Saturday and that train is full of bikes.

 

[LNahid2000]

I took the 8pm train from Niagara last Sunday and the farthest bike coach from the station was pretty empty.

 

[Richard White]

I took the 8pm train from Niagara last Sunday and the farthest bike coach from the station was pretty empty.

Are they still doing stroller coaches??

 

[E•MO•TION]

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This has been discussed internally for awhile now, along with other solutions. I don’t know what the hold up is considering that this issue isn’t entirely new. I would like to believe Metrolinx has a better long-term solution than handing out fines.

GO has a ton of spare rolling stock sitting around, just convert one of the spares to a bike car.

I swear people make things look difficult that aren't.

It was my understanding that converting a regular coach to a bike coach would cost $100K per coach and there are multiple different trips operated by multiple different consists affected by heavy bike demand.

I don’t know how accurate this $100K figure is though.

 

[Northern Light]

This has been discussed internally for awhile now, along with other solutions. I don’t know what the hold up is considering that this issue isn’t entirely new. I would like to believe Metrolinx has a better long-term solution than handing out fines.


It was my understanding that converting a regular coach to a bike coach would cost $100K per coach and there are multiple different trips operated by multiple different consists affected by heavy bike demand.

I don’t know how accurate this $100K figure is though.

I'd like to hear from @smallspy on the credibility of that figure. Most of the work should be seat removals, and can be performed by in-house staff; its only on the bottom floor of the car too. There are some other mods, but man 100k seems rich to me.

Irrespective, they currently have lots of spare coaches, and having them rust away in the yard is not a good use of budget. Reno 2-3 more as full bike coaches, if the demand is there. After that, there's reason to pause, as with any luck service restoration will put a lot of stock back on the rails and most of it should be for seated passengers.

 

[smallspy]

I'd like to hear from @smallspy on the credibility of that figure. Most of the work should be seat removals, and can be performed by in-house staff; its only on the bottom floor of the car too. There are some other mods, but man 100k seems rich to me.

While there is a lot of hardware that needs to get removed and installed to convert a car, that $100K number sounds exceedingly high. And frankly doesn't make any sense, considering that GO converted the cars back to regular coaches for their first couple of winters. Did they pay $600K per year - twice - to convert the cars to and from bike cars? I can't see that being the case.

Dan

 

[Northern Light]

While there is a lot of hardware that needs to get removed and installed to convert a car, that $100K number sounds exceedingly high. And frankly doesn't make any sense, considering that GO converted the cars back to regular coaches for their first couple of winters. Did they pay $600K per year - twice - to convert the cars to and from bike cars? I can't see that being the case.

Dan

Thanks, Dan.

 

[rbt]

While there is a lot of hardware that needs to get removed and installed to convert a car, that $100K number sounds exceedingly high. And frankly doesn't make any sense, considering that GO converted the cars back to regular coaches for their first couple of winters. Did they pay $600K per year - twice - to convert the cars to and from bike cars? I can't see that being the case.

Perhaps there is an extra 0 on the above estimate estimate. $5k in hardware and plus a single day for a crew of 3.

 

[Allandale25]

Speaking of ebikes and weekend service on the Kitchener Line:

Globe editorial: E-bikes and the future of transit

Creating transportation options that allow people to move seamlessly from one type of vehicle to another is standard in the world’s greatest transit systems – to the benefit of all

www.theglobeandmail.com

(if paywalled let me know)

 

[Tristen]

Speaking of ebikes and weekend service on the Kitchener Line:

Globe editorial: E-bikes and the future of transit

Creating transportation options that allow people to move seamlessly from one type of vehicle to another is standard in the world’s greatest transit systems – to the benefit of all

www.theglobeandmail.com

(if paywalled let me know)

It's paywalled

 

[Allandale25]

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OPINION

E-bikes and the future of transit​

THE EDITORIAL BOARD
PUBLISHED 8 HOURS AGO UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO


On most weekend nights, the last commuter trains out of Toronto are packed with delivery riders and their bikes, heading home to the suburbs.

This is a new kind of commuter for Ontario’s GO Transit, which has lost many of its traditional office-bound passengers since the pandemic began. Instead of welcoming the e-bike brigade, agency staff sometimes choose to hassle them by strictly enforcing the limit of two bikes per train car.

There’s no doubt that these bikes are bulky and could pose a problem if they blocked train doors. But the callous treatment of couriers is at odds with the welcome mat GO rolls out for touring cyclists, who can take the train to wine country with their bikes riding in a specially adapted car full of racks.

Beyond poor manners, the crackdown on e-bikes speaks to a larger failure of GO Transit to imagine the future of commuting. An agency that has long assumed its passengers would drive to the station should be encouraging people who arrive by bike, including by letting them bring their wheels on board. Why doesn’t every GO train include a special car equipped to carry bikes?

In response to social media reports that some riders were stranded at Toronto’s downtown station overnight after being prohibited from boarding, the agency did say it was working to provide more on-board bike options. Good news, but this shouldn’t have taken a PR black eye.

In fact, the needs of the delivery economy should prompt cities and municipal services everywhere to reconsider how they operate. Why does Vancouver’s transit agency, like GO, allow only two bikes on each train car? Why can’t Toronto have more functional water fountains and benches, where people can relax between jobs? Why isn’t clearing snow from bike lanes in a country as wintry as Canada considered a basic workplace safety issue everywhere?

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Even if someone doesn’t care about this new breed of worker that has appeared on the scene, improvements aimed at them will be enjoyed by others as well. An aging population needs benches as much or more than delivery riders do. Creating transportation options that allow people to move seamlessly from one type of vehicle to another is standard in the world’s greatest transit systems – to the benefit of all.

And there is a fundamental issue of fairness and consistency: GO Transit is happy to accommodate one type of commuter, at great expense. That would be drivers, who enjoy free parking at many GO stations.

To a point, cities and transit agencies may be excused for their lumbering reaction to the rise of the delivery economy, which has been in some ways shockingly rapid. For decades, delivery of restaurant fare was severely limited. Canadians needed to make the trip themselves for takeout, for the most part. App-based services using Uber’s model of gig workers upended the old reality. Suddenly, for only a few bucks, people could get almost anything delivered to their homes. A hamburger and a margarita? Coming right up.

When the pandemic hit, delivery really took off. According to Statistics Canada, which in 2022 measured the gig economy, there were 207,000 people delivering food or other goods through an app last year. For about one-quarter of them, it was their main job.

There are obvious drawbacks to this new economy, including precarious employment, the production of a huge amount of garbage and a disincentive to go out, and reducing the social mixing that is one of the great benefits of urban living. And, yes, delivery riders who block sidewalks, or speed alongside pedestrians, are irritating and sometimes dangerous. But the convenience of these services, coupled with demand on the part of well-heeled urban residents, makes them unlikely to go away. Cities need to start taking seriously the needs of their workers.

It is galling that there are still politicians who act as though bike lanes are an elitist frill that gets in the way of traffic. It is inhumane that many cities have so few public toilets that delivery riders are forced to urinate in alleys.

Because of high real estate costs in Toronto and Vancouver, delivery riders serving residents of these cities often live in suburbs and commute to their jobs. In that sense, they are just like millions of other commuters who can’t afford to live in the central city.

The only difference is, they need to bring the tools of their trade – a bicycle – on the train with them.