cplchanb
Senior Member
That's fine but why would it be necessary for ML owned track when cp/cn shouldn't have the say on this. Just another unnecessary expenditure
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GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx
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EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Because of situations like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_...members of,Montreal and Toronto-Ottawa routes.
crs1026
Superstar
ML owns the right of way (and trackage) but CN in particular retains residual rights to send freight trains over the routes they have sold to ML. So the clearances have to accommodate freight trains to the standard clearances.
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smallspy
Senior Member
luk3yd
New Member
How many tracks through Union would need to be “protected” to allow freight trains to pass through? 1? 2?
Could it be possible as part of the track/platform realignment to utilize gauntlet tracks (a la ION in Waterloo) to support infrequent freight diversions and allow level boarding for the passenger platforms?
Could it be possible as part of the track/platform realignment to utilize gauntlet tracks (a la ION in Waterloo) to support infrequent freight diversions and allow level boarding for the passenger platforms?
generalcanada
Senior Member
to be clear on the conversation above, There will be level boarding, that is 100% going to happen, not immediately though. Nor in the near future with USEP
It will be done on the main construction package rebuilding all of the other platforms and tracks at union. As for when that is...who knows
drum118
Superstar
It will be platform 27
Gauntlet tracks require more space between tracks in the ROW and which one will have it that has the leases impact on GO service as well fitting it in?? There are lines in the US that use the gauntlet track for DMU services as well LRT. More stations means more switches and maintaining them.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
This is not true. CN running does not prevent Metrolinx from implementing ETCS. Metrolinx clearly stated in the ETCS backgrounders that they will have lineside signals for use by CN trains. If you're going to make things up, please preface the statements with "my guess is that..." or something along those lines.
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/discover/world-standard-signalling-system-to-improve-go-train-service
ETCS can be implemented up to the end of Metrolinx ownership at Burlington station, which will also be the end of electrification. Eventually the electric local trains from Burlington to Oshawa could operate entirely in ETCS. Diesel express trains will need to switch systems to travel beyond Burlington.
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TheHonestMaple
Active Member
Why doesn't GO Transit switch to something like the Stadler KISS, like CalTran has done - once electrification happens.
tsm1072
Active Member
Because they have hundreds of passenger coaches in great condition that they already own, maintain, and use. I'm sure they will eventually move to EMUs once electrification is in place and they need additional trainsets or replacements for old bilevels, but as they transition into electrification, electric or dual-mode locomotives will give them more freedom and less uncertainty.
TheHonestMaple
Active Member
They can sell them.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Who is in need of hundreds and hundreds of bilevel coaches?
junctionist
Senior Member
There are dozens, if not hundreds of American cities that could use them. Regional rail is that badly developed in the US.
Take Atlanta, for example. It needs regional rail and would benefit from the cost savings of buying used coaches to open multiple lines at a time. Then, you have the cities that already use bi-level coaches that will probably need more at some point like San Francisco due to increasing demand for transit.
You could probably sell them to many Latin American cities, too.
T3G
Senior Member
And why exactly should they do that?
Maintaining and refurbishing our coaches so that someone else can benefit from them?
TheHonestMaple
Active Member
Because EMUs are superior in every way?
As for who might buy them.... the following operators use the exact same bilevels.
Altamont Corridor Express Stockton, California 30
Caltrain San Francisco, California 41
Coaster San Diego, California 28[4][5]
Exo Montreal, Quebec 22
FrontRunner Salt Lake City, Utah 22[6]
GO Transit Toronto, Ontario 979 (Largest Operator)[7]
Metrolink Los Angeles, California 184[8][9]
Northstar Line Minneapolis, Minnesota 18
Rail Runner Express Albuquerque, New Mexico 22[10]
Sounder Seattle, Washington 58[11]
SunRail Orlando, Florida 25[12]
Tri-Rail Miami, Florida 26[5][13]
Trinity Railway Express Dallas, Texas 17[5][14]
West Coast Express Vancouver, British Columbia 44[15]