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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)

I think this thread is an example that there is a stigma against history and arts degrees. Myself I have a polysci degree, which was invaluable to my life, but I do wish I'd double majored in something more useful.

My honest and blunt opinion is arts degrees are good if you're smart, but science degrees are probably better if you're smart. If you're not as smart, then an arts degree will be a waste, because it requires more work after the degree and a way to separate you from the pack.
 
I’d argue that an organization like Metrolinx is exactly what you get when a society proiritizes financially rewarding lawyers and finance bros over engineers and technicians. You get an organization with 150 VPs that are very good at drafting contracts, but not so good at building infrastructure.

I have zero faith in the current government to get anything done right, but I hope the next government utterly guts Metrolinx, and turns it into an engineering-first organization.
 
I’d argue that an organization like Metrolinx is exactly what you get when a society proiritizes financially rewarding lawyers and finance bros over engineers and technicians. You get an organization with 150 VPs that are very good at drafting contracts, but not so good at building infrastructure.

I have zero faith in the current government to get anything done right, but I hope the next government utterly guts Metrolinx, and turns it into an engineering-first organization.
Very good at drafting contracts? I doubt that...
 
Very good at drafting contracts? I doubt that...

There's a reason why Metrolinx is in the top ten of client revenue in at least three of the Bay Street law firms I've worked at, mostly for litigation.

Source: over-educated twit with English, Poli Sci, and Information Studies degrees (BAs and MIS/MA).
 
There's a reason why Metrolinx is in the top ten of client revenue in at least three of the Bay Street law firms I've worked at, mostly for litigation.

Source: over-educated twit with English, Poli Sci, and Information Studies degrees (BAs and MIS/MA).
Y'all wonder why it is so expensive to build anything here...
 
I’d argue that an organization like Metrolinx is exactly what you get when a society proiritizes financially rewarding lawyers and finance bros over engineers and technicians. You get an organization with 150 VPs that are very good at drafting contracts, but not so good at building infrastructure.

I have zero faith in the current government to get anything done right, but I hope the next government utterly guts Metrolinx, and turns it into an engineering-first organization.
A certain company based in Everett comes to mind... they also started as a reputable entity but over the years cost cutting and incompetence crept in and now they cant even deliver their product almost a decade after promising it
 
A certain company based in Everett comes to mind... they also started as a reputable entity but over the years cost cutting and incompetence crept in and now they cant even deliver their product almost a decade after promising it
Moving some production lines to second-world, non-union, right-to-work states was also a factor.
 
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A certain company based in Everett comes to mind... they also started as a reputable entity but over the years cost cutting and incompetence crept in and now they cant even deliver their product almost a decade after promising it
There is a joke that Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas, but McDonnell Douglas took over Boeing. It went from engineering to penny-pinching.
 
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There is a joke that Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas, but McDonnell Douglas took over Boeing. It went from engineering to penny-pinching.
I'm going to commit the cardinal sin of extrapolating experience in one field to a generalization in all fields.

I work in finance. The best leadership teams I've worked for are often mediocre investors but great leaders who create a culture that enable risk takers to deploy capital. On the flip side, some of the best investors I've worked with that have been promoted to management have been disastrous. Managing people, cultivating a successful culture etc. are rarely the same skills that are used by a top quartile SME/individual contributor (at least in my field...and I'm projecting my experience onto other fields).

A good leadership team focuses on surrounding themselves with good people that they trust. The leadership team at Metrolinx doesn't need to be stacked with engineers, but they do need to be good leaders who support their best engineers, project managers, internal counsel....even accountants to keep projects on budget etc.

In happier news, the CWZ on the GO portion of the East Harbour LSE corridor is shrinking. Jersey barriers have been removed near Gerrard Square following the completion of grading (and noise walls to poke fun). The legacy third track remains removed in the area, while the new fourth track to be used as a temporary siding continues to expand from the TTC's Greenwood yard area to Woodbine Ave bridge. The following notice suggests the April 11-12 weekend closure will be used to install a switch in the area.

 
Update on the Scarborough durham BRT from a local councillors newsletter on the Pickering segments (roughly Whites Rd to Brock Rd):

The Region of Durham has confirmed that the tendering process for the Kingston Road BRT segment from Steeple Hill to Merritton Road is underway, with construction expected to commence in July 2026 and be completed by the end of 2028.

The Region will tender the next segment, from Dixie Road to Bainbridge Drive, which is expected to begin construction in August/September 2026 and be completed by fall 2029.

The Dixie Road to Bainbridge Drive segment of the project will directly affect the Brock Road and Kingston Road intersection and vicinity, and may add to the traffic pressures already anticipated from the MTO’s Brock Road-Highway 401 overpass work and the Brock Road and Bayly Street intersection improvements.
 
When was this tendered? And has anything been signed yet? "with construction expected to commence in July 2026 and be completed by the end of 2028."

That's less than 4 months away, are we sure construction will start on time?
 
Burloak grade separation on LSW during this weekend's closure. This is looking south.
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Don't know where this fits best, GO privatization / TOC / real estate discussion moved here:


Brightline is not a good example of the superior efficiency of private enterprise, which is likely financially unsustainable aka about to be bankrupt barring government intervention, despite taking billions in grants and other subsidies from multiple levels of government. Tip of the iceberg: https://reecemartin.ca/140027266/im-concerned-about-brightline-west/

I would argue Brightline is more of a scheme for Americans to get half-decent rail service under the guise of glorious American "private enterprise". It's a lie to avoid political opposition.

Similar to CDPQ explicitly calling the REM a light rail in earlier public documents, despite all evidence within those documents pointing to metro, or light metro at worst (at lightest?) It's all political. People love light rail in North America, Anglophone and Francophone alike.


You're missing the nuance here. The 4 private JRs were not built ground up as private companies. They came from the splitting up and privatization of the state-owned railway company, each inheriting pre-existing routes, real estate, rolling stock, and infrastructure.

JR is touted as the gold standard due to its profitability, but a good chunk of the profit comes from real estate and retail near stations, not just ticket revenues. The real estate holdings existing can create the demand for rail services in a positive feedback loop.

Also, the state kept 2/3rds of the state-owned railway's debt during privatization, which was later socialized entirely. They privatized the profits and socialized most of the debt.

The process of privatization led to divestment of money losing lines, conversions to buses, with many lines closing altogether. Lines that were arguably essential for less populated communities. The eventual private JRs inherited most of the profitable ones.

Furthermore, the 4 private JRs became profitable in part because the weaker JR Hokkaido, Shikoku and Freight were left for the State to deal with. The 3 state-owned JRs operating in smaller markets have predictably been less profitable, if not unprofitable after the 1987 split.

To their credit, going further into real estate and retail was a smart move, a model that was already pioneered by non-JR private railways. The only Canadian equivalent that comes to mind is the Canadian Pacific Hotels, many of which became the Fairmont Hotels we see today.

There are reasons why natural monopolies like railways have been government owned in certain countries. I also personally don't see the JR / MTR models being emulated in Canada easily, if not due to a lower-trust society, due to the red-tape and NIMBYism around real estate development. JR already had real estate when the state-owned JNR split 4 decades ago, then bought and developed more land when it was still cheap. The equivalent in Ontario today would require prohibitively expensive purchases and/or expropriations to put land in the hands of transit authorities. To say nothing of the political cost of expropriation.

The MTR can operate without direct government subsidy due to real estate income, unlike the TTC or GO; but that model relies on the government owning all land, which allows MTR to get cheap land leases & development rights at pre-transit costs, which is impossible to emulate in Ontario. It would be as if Metrolinx could buy land along Eglinton, after Line 5 had already been announced, at prices that did not reflect the future line’s impact on current land value. In some cases, MTR has received cheap rights, after the line had already been opened. The HK government is the majority shareholder of MTR. It's effectively state-owned.
JNR privatisation was also the context in which controversial but effective streamlining took place. In the final JNR years and in the immediate aftermath of privatisation half of the enormous 414,000-strong workforce was laid off or put to early retirement.Half of the combined workforce of the Bundesbahn and Reichsbahn was also laid off during the Bahnreform. They had workforces inherited from a pre-motorisation world and it was politically unacceptable to dump them as long as the railways were public entities. The circumstances are not similar in today's Canada.
 
JNR privatisation was also the context in which controversial but effective streamlining took place. In the final JNR years and in the immediate aftermath of privatisation half of the enormous 414,000-strong workforce was laid off or put to early retirement.Half of the combined workforce of the Bundesbahn and Reichsbahn was also laid off during the Bahnreform. They had workforces inherited from a pre-motorisation world and it was politically unacceptable to dump them as long as the railways were public entities. The circumstances are not similar in today's Canada.
ill gladly accept half of the 118 VPs taking early or involuntary retirement
 

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