Allandale25
Senior Member
Because other lines that will be electrified need a location to turn trains, apparently. cc @smallspy
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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Because other lines that will be electrified need a location to turn trains, apparently. cc @smallspy
Northern Light
Superstar
I cannot speak to the motivations of parties involved; but I also wouldn't argue with you on this point......
I am completely unaware of any such plan, and for the record, I believe any attempt at this would directly conflict with VIA HFR using the Don Branch. A single-track line of that length, can only support so many trains per hour.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Further clarification (HT @JasonParis). I assume that "this facility" refers to the new Layover location at York Mills Rd/Leslie St (general area map below from a post above).
smallspy
Senior Member
You're looking too far north. Metrolinx already owns a swath of land adjacent to the Bala Sub immediately south of York Mills - it's where they have the MOW forces staged for the bridge work in the valley. That's where they will put this layover facility.
Of course, it's not all terrific news. For instance, this will complicate any bi-directional operations on the line, as it takes a train about 22 minutes to go from the siding at Rosedale to the siding at Oriole (immediately north of York Mills).
And it doesn't change the fact that trains will now have to go though two known flooding areas to access it, rather than just one.
Dan
Allandale25
Senior Member
Do you think they may add some sidings between the layover and Rosedale siding to allow for more passing? I wonder if they also may have to because this is the route the Northlander will use.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Star article.
www.thestar.com
Metrolinx does an about-face on a GO facility planned for the Don Valley
A GO train layover planned for the Don Valley will now be built in a ‘light industrial’ area near Leslie and York Mills.
www.thestar.com
PL1
Senior Member
Star article.
Metrolinx does an about-face on a GO facility planned for the Don Valley
A GO train layover planned for the Don Valley will now be built in a ‘light industrial’ area near Leslie and York Mills.
I guess Rosedale siding wasn't appropriate for long term? It has easy access to Bayview and may be wide enough for 3-4 tracks (for a short distance).
Anyway, the other Don Valley location was not good, imo
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Is there no space for another track here?
"Edit* there should be enough space to extend the siding to the Korean cultural Center. Up around York Mills there is space for 3 tracks but the bridge before Oriole Station only supports two tracks. North of there the bridge over Sheppard is wide enough for two tracks until the trestle over the ravine.
If they need the siding at York Mills for storage they could extend the double track that ends near Oriole and extend it north to Sheppard which would allow trains to pass. The problem is that for two trains to occupy the station you would need a second platform.
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cplchanb
Senior Member
well now that they got what they whined for PAY FOR IT! there will be significant cost increases and schedule delay for the redesign, not to mention for new land acquisition and probably more opposition there.
you can never appease everyone and these treehuggers/lobbyists love to complain about everything. you wonder why transit here is sparse and costly? this is a prime example why!
its a shame that were too scared of these minority fringe groups that we would bend over to their whims
you can never appease everyone and these treehuggers/lobbyists love to complain about everything. you wonder why transit here is sparse and costly? this is a prime example why!
its a shame that were too scared of these minority fringe groups that we would bend over to their whims
44 North
Senior Member
oh god. You think it was nimbys that led to this decision? Why?
generalcanada
Senior Member
i mean yea i agree but not here.
unless proven otherwise, this should be just metrolinx finding a better way to do things
Is this not what the 2 year "development phase" is for? not just doing a bid, but taking the time to further develop the project?
If "onexpress" came out and said they found a way to not need the 4th track in riverside (no fkn way) but theoretically if they did....would metrolinx have bowed to the pressure of the community?
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
There is no way the PCs care enough about “downtown Toronto lefties” to move the yard. I think that either a bigger yard is needed, or it became clear that HFR via the Stoufville Line is simply not workable.
crs1026
Superstar
^My theory is that ML thought about it and realised that they were far more comfortable with their backing down and giving VIA this route, than with trying to intermingle HFR with service on the LSE and Stouffville lines, with a fairly speed restrictive new junction to the CP route in Agincourt, and with the re-signalling that might require from Kennedy to Agincourt.
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Allandale25
Senior Member
^ So between the Don Spur connection to the Belleville Sub and the Havelock Sub, you're saying in theory HFR could use the existing signaling?
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Someone was commenting that the don spur being only single tracked would limit the number of trains. The portion past the Don Valley trestle could be double tracked. And the mouth of the spur is also double tracked. There is space to add more tracks between the Don Spur and the Agincourt yard but it's going to require some new bridges. One over E.T. Seton Park, another over Eglinton, and then over the DVP, another over the valley. And then you would want to take the North side of the current tracks through the yard to the Havelock Sub. I don't think two tracks is enough for CP freight and hourly VIA trains.