innsertnamehere
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which stations? All it says from what I can tell is that it doesn't include Oakville GO.
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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wopchop
Building Toronto
Right, but aren't these subcontractors on Metrolinx projects all or mostly unionized? Because if so, their rates are bound by multi-year agreements and contractors spiking selling prices is just artificial, and not a true cost inflation. If not, the non union trades are typically making less coin.
We have this issue right now in building construction. Labour is tight, so we try to price higher to account, but the GCs are all fairly aware of unionized labour costs, so you cannot raise rates too high before they take notice.
To be fair, my knowledge of infrastructure construction is considerably less than building construction.
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tsm1072
Active Member
Another thing that is probably factoring into these costs is procurement contingency. When quoting a multi-year project, you need to account for cost increases in procurement that happens later in the project. Usually, you would be fine estimated 2-3% per year, but with all the uncertainty since the start of COVID, those numbers are likely a lot higher. Raw material costs have sky-rocketted and have high uncertainty, so you need to quote on the high end of the uncertainty to cover yourself.
JasonParis
Moderator
Curious, did you take this last Sunday (Feb. 27)? If so, we may have said hello to each other.Feb 27
Kennedy
More up on my site
Like a lot of stations, snow clearing sucks that the accessibility community have a bitch trying to get to/from them as well a skating zone for the rest of the riders. Makes no different what city/town, transit systems, snow clearing for pedestrians is the last thing that comes to mind for who every is responsible for clearing sidewalk snow. Things will not change until there is a major lawsuit over it or when someone is major injury from a fall or kill.
drum118
Superstar
did we talk??
drum118
Superstar
Feb 27
More up on my site
Starting the sidewalk on the eastside of the bridge on the north side of Steeles.
EllisDon is really spread thin these days for all their projects.
Sidewalk went from accessibly to non accessibly to the point you had to stand to the side to allow someone to pass you going in the opposite direction on a skating rink. Only a foot wide path.
More up on my site
Starting the sidewalk on the eastside of the bridge on the north side of Steeles.
EllisDon is really spread thin these days for all their projects.
Sidewalk went from accessibly to non accessibly to the point you had to stand to the side to allow someone to pass you going in the opposite direction on a skating rink. Only a foot wide path.
smallspy
Senior Member
There have been a number of cases over the past couple of years when one of the rail-based contractors has had to sub to one of their competitors due to a lack of manpower. That'll increase the effective rate as they are now paying for two sets of overhead, rather than one.
With the ongoing manpower shortages, they may now be factoring that in as an eventuality rather than trying to avoid it.
Dan
wopchop
Building Toronto
This is fair, and I am sure it has happened. Unavoidable that this project would cost more than originally intended.
However, while many material costs have increased substantially, nothing has doubled in price. Same with labour, even if they are seeing increased use of sub-subcontractors and extra 20% overhead & profit. We are talking about an extra $100M here on a $135M project. About an 75% increase in cost estimate overall.
To me, this speaks to either the original cost estimate being totally bogus, major scope creep, or these new prices having a hefty P3 FU premium. The last would not surprise me, since dealing with Metrolinx is a pain.
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JasonParis
Moderator
I was taking pics from the same bridge, and then as I walked away a dude jumped out of a car with a proper DSLR and starting taking some too. As I walked away, he said something to me in a friendly tone, but I couldn't quite hear so I just smiled and waved back.
drum118
Superstar
yep!! that was me...... I said you better get all the shots of the RT as it will be gone sometime next year.
cyclo
New Member
I honestly thought the Milliken Station and Steeles underpass construction will be completed by now... The construction started way before the pandemic hit more than two years ago. From the pics, it appears it will take another couple of months to get the job done. I won't be surprised this time if it takes another year.
drum118
Superstar
The Milliken Station is way behind as a make work project. Steeles is another story and about 6 months behind.
Still got 2 walkway bridges to be install across Steeles in the coming months.
Expect Agincourt and Unionville will be finish before Milliken.
Based on seeing a number of P3 projects by EllisDon and others, they are spread very thin and lacking manpower both by themselves as well sub trades due to COVID. They will add more resources where they risk seeing back charges as well get them complete sooner than later..
Will say late fall for completion.
cplchanb
Senior Member
well they seem to be more vested in their residential high rise projects. They are involved with the west donlands mega project in the distillery at the moment.
drum118
Superstar
It been painful watching how slow the new east platform has been built the last 2 years that it still not finish.
Even the new west Platform is not 100% complete at Kennedy that is in service these days.
They did get the 401 ready in time for the next phase to start.
Slow in getting the Kipling Hub open and finish after it open.
Slow on a number of residential projects,
Since GO ridership is down with cut in service, ML is allowing EllisDon to be slow on their project if it means delay paying them as require.
smallspy
Senior Member
The whole project is running about 2 years (or maybe more now) behind. There have been a number of issues with the contractors, some of which is their doing and some of which isn't.
Dan