General railway discussions

[nfitz]

If it becomes a topic in Alberta, likely similar to what we are seeing in eastern Ontario.

In Red Deer?? It's more likely that they'll be like the one's in Kingston who are complaining that it won't stop in there city.

I'm surprised you agree with Can.

 

[crs1026]

The interesting detail for Edmonton-Calgary is the number of level crossings that will need grade separation, or will have to be closed.

Land may be fairly cheap, and there may be lots of options to route around towns etc, but those roads will be a sensitive topic, and expensive to grade separate them all.

- Paul

 

[Bojaxs]

The interesting detail for Edmonton-Calgary is the number of level crossings that will need grade separation, or will have to be closed.

Land may be fairly cheap, and there may be lots of options to route around towns etc, but those roads will be a sensitive topic, and expensive to grade separate them all.

- Paul

Why would they have to grade separate every crossing? Is this line being proposed as a HSR line?

I was thinking this line would be more like a VIA rail for Alberta with Siemens Chargers, etc.

 

[Bordercollie]

Why would they have to grade separate every crossing? Is this line being proposed as a HSR line?

I was thinking this line would be more like a VIA rail for Alberta with Siemens Chargers, etc.

I believe that when the line did run with RDC'S there were a lot of vehicle collisions which was a pain.

Are they mostly unprotected crossings?

The Chatham sub has unprotected crossings and trains travel at 90+ mph.

 

[crs1026]

Why would they have to grade separate every crossing? Is this line being proposed as a HSR line?

I was thinking this line would be more like a VIA rail for Alberta with Siemens Chargers, etc.

We won't know the spec until we see the report....but....if you were thinking that somebody would just jump on the CPKC tracks and run Ventures, you may be going down the wrong track.

The route might or might not share the CPKC row. It could be a whole different alignment.

And if a new routing is chosen, it would no doubt be engineered to close to a full high speed spec., either as futureproofing or immediate full build.

The point is, unlike Ontario where there is lots of undeveloped territory, Alberta has at least a concession road grid all the way from Calgary to Edmonton.

- Paul

 

[micheal_can]

We won't know the spec until we see the report....but....if you were thinking that somebody would just jump on the CPKC tracks and run Ventures, you may be going down the wrong track.

The route might or might not share the CPKC row. It could be a whole different alignment.

And if a new routing is chosen, it would no doubt be engineered to close to a full high speed spec., either as futureproofing or immediate full build.

The point is, unlike Ontario where there is lots of undeveloped territory, Alberta has at least a concession road grid all the way from Calgary to Edmonton.

- Paul

The one good thing is they are not building on the Canadian Shield. That should lower the overall costs per km for it.

 

[lenaitch]

In Red Deer?? It's more likely that they'll be like the one's in Kingston who are complaining that it won't stop in there city.

I'm surprised you agree with Can.

These are the posts that started it.

The federal government should support this. They are supporting ALTO.

If it is HSR between C-E, my guess is a stop in Red Deer. Thar may be good enough.

My point was, if the proposal is for HSR, they will likely face the same feedback as Alto is, regardless of where they put stations. The advantage Red Deer has is at least it forms a straight line line between the two anchor cities.

 

[micheal_can]

My point was, if the proposal is for HSR, they will likely face the same feedback as Alto is, regardless of where they put stations. The advantage Red Deer has is at least it forms a straight line line between the two anchor cities.

Which, if you were to draw lines on a map,Kingston makes logical sense too. The question with the C_E will be whether the costs are worth it to connect Red Deer or not. For upgrading our passenger rail in Canada, Anything is better than nothing, but, it should be done as god as it can be.

 

[lenaitch]

Which, if you were to draw lines on a map,Kingston makes logical sense too. The question with the C_E will be whether the costs are worth it to connect Red Deer or not. For upgrading our passenger rail in Canada, Anything is better than nothing, but, it should be done as god as it can be.

To my eye, Red Deer lies along a very straight line between Calgary and Edmonton. On a straight line between Toronto and Ottawa, Kingston does not.

 

[micheal_can]

To my eye, Red Deer lies along a very straight line between Calgary and Edmonton. On a straight line between Toronto and Ottawa, Kingston does not.

Draw a straight line from Montreal and Toronto, Ottawa is further away than Kingston. But, due to population, It makes sense to go to Ottawa. So, the logic could be applied to Kingston as it not only is the largest city between them, but also is one of the highest Via ridership stations.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=13wsmWAtiu1ioNzLFwsy5Rxg9sisKEsm2&usp=sharing

 

[lenaitch]

Draw a straight line from Montreal and Toronto, Ottawa is further away than Kingston. But, due to population, It makes sense to go to Ottawa. So, the logic could be applied to Kingston as it not only is the largest city between them, but also is one of the highest Via ridership stations.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=13wsmWAtiu1ioNzLFwsy5Rxg9sisKEsm2&usp=sharing

You ability to interpret points of discussion is sometimes quite amazing. Toronto-Kingston-Ottawa-Montreal is not a straight line; it is a series of straight lines. Calgary-Red Deer-Edmonton, is.

I'm not sure anybody is arguing that Kingston isn't a strong VIA stop; but this isn't VIA. Are you joining the 'put it in the middle of the 401' or the 'put it in the CN lakeshore corridor' crowd?

 

[micheal_can]

You ability to interpret points of discussion is sometimes quite amazing. Toronto-Kingston-Ottawa-Montreal is not a straight line; it is a series of straight lines. Calgary-Red Deer-Edmonton, is.

I'm not sure anybody is arguing that Kingston isn't a strong VIA stop; but this isn't VIA. Are you joining the 'put it in the middle of the 401' or the 'put it in the CN lakeshore corridor' crowd?

I am a "In an ideal world here is what we should do, but we do not live in that idealized world, and so we are going to do what we have to which will piss a lot of people off.".

So, what would be my first thought... Pay to have CN have a new subdivision between Mac Yard and Taschereau yard and have ALTO operate on the Kingston Sub. That is an idealized thought that I know will never happen due to the shear costs. That is fantasy land.

When I was naive about how railways work, I would have thought "Why not just build it down the 401?" However,I have since learned some very obvious reasons why that would not be the best idea.

So, what is my realistic thought? What ALTO has put forth. Both options are good, but I know it is going to make a lot of people pissed off. With this my thinking is simply to those that are pissed off...Oh well, anyways, lets move forward with the project and get it built.