youngblood
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Not sure if this had been previously posted
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
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JSF-1
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If I am understanding things correctly, the TTC can't due to the contract with Mosaic Transit. It seems that any change like speed or implementation of TSP has to be amended into the contract, although the Province seems to be disputing this. Regardless if anything this shows a serious flaw in the idea of a P3 since if this is the case then that means the Crosstown and even worse the Ontario Line are at risk of having there services hamstrung but contractual nonsense. If every change to one of these services requires amendments to contracts with the private partner then imo there is zero benefit to using P3's since now its issues can extend beyond just the construction of a line but its very operations after opening day.
urbanclient
Active Member
"can't" as in not legal or feasible in Toronto, or "can't" as in not physically possible on this planet?
Sorry Steve, I'm pretty sure it's possible on Earth to shorten pedestrian crossing time in favour of transit:
eglinton1661
New Member
Because TTC claims that if the ran the trains faster, they would need to consult Metrolinx and Mosaic because faster running trains would increase the operational and maintenance burden on Mosaic/Metrolinx
Finch West Line 6 LRT
No, this isn't what was said. Staff said the aggressive form of TSP -- giving transit the signal ahead of left turning vehicles -- would be new to North America. Not that TSP entirely isn't used elsewhere. Let me give you a revelation. It is NOT new to North America, these people are willfully...
Even though, as Steve Munro points out, running the trains faster would actually require less service, not more
afransen
Senior Member
If the trains operated faster, would it not mean fewer vehicles in operation at any given point in time to deliver a specific frequency? Am I taking crazy pills? The operating cost should be lower. Perhaps more wear and tear per vehicle hour operated, but fewer vehicle hours.
Thaboss
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Holy crap that first intersection crossing lol toronto would never.
urbanclient
Active Member
^^^ @ssiguy2 you are ahead of the curve.
As shown in today's board meeting, credit to @eglinton1661 for transcribing, at least some of the upper TTC staff are incompetent liars.
In other Captain Obvious news, the union tries to protect and increase line worker jobs. Thank our good graces that some of the councillors and the TTC board are putting the TTC's feet to the fire for once.
Steve X
Senior Member
Can’t as in TO can’t implement it without giving excuses.
Dan416
Senior Member
They haven't reviewed ION? I'm sorry but how is that possible? Kitchener-Waterloo is in driving and public transit distance. It doesn't require a passport or flights to reach. And they haven't reviewed it yet? Are you effing kidding me? Ion opened in 2019 (yes I had to look it up) and TTC staff couldn't be bothered to review it in the 6 years since it opened? Even knowing we were opening the Eglinton and Finch LRTs? I'm sorry but that is sheer incompetence.
afransen
Senior Member
Outrageous.
In my line of work, we are frequently sharing experiences, lessons learned, best practices with non-competitive peers. Some are from the other side of the world, but some are in the US.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Well that explains why the used actual traffic lights for the trains on Line 6 instead of the proper transit lights.
2323
New Member
Let's just hand Line 6 over to GRT at this point
Bordercollie
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txlseries4
Active Member
Finch is 40m wide in some places and all of that space is either track or car lanes, whereas in that video, Paris provides loads of space for pedestrians to cross in stages if they need, either a couple metres wide or huge areas, breaking up crossings by creating refuge islands, often protected by bollards. At every pedestrian crossing in that video there is enough room for a people to cross part of the way and safely wait if there isn't enough time to cross fully. If we had that here maybe different timings could be considered.
Toronto uses 1.0 metres / second as a walking speed to account for those walking slower, like children or seniors. Shortening pedestrian crossing times would mean people would get "trapped" in the middle, and creating refuge islands would be an incredible cost (worth it everywhere imo, but that's not happening).
I once asked Becky Katz, who used to head the pedestrian unit in transportation services, why the city doesn't have two/multi stage crossings, and her answer was people hate them, and that creates an obstacle at the city. It stunned me because when I've used them in Europe I think they're amazing and feel much safer, but they're often configured to have people only cross one or two lanes at a time. The one people here know is at Queen and University where you're crossing 4 lanes on each side of the refuge, so I guess it's not surprising that when that's your image of a two/multi stage crossing, you dislike it.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Did York Region accomplish this with their VIVA BRT network?
Does this constitute as a two/ multi stage crossing? Is this considered a refuge island?
