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Finch West Line 6 LRT

The heat is on……I feel like we should organise a mass reachout to City Hall and force the CIty of Toronto to allow TTC to operate signal priority. Maybe even stick up posters at the stations to get people to write in.

The frustration is definitely there….and since it’s ripe, people will likely call it out…..before they get accustomed to this nonsense.

 
Rode today and marvelled at how many sfd are ready for intensification. Also, it took ~6 minutes to go from Humber College station to Woodbine by bus so I expect many workers to continue using this route.
Intensification usually follows infrastructure build-out when that infrastructure REDUCES travel times.

With our stinking hot real estate market, faltering economy, and progress going nowhere in terms of housing policy, expect Finch West to keep looking like Finch West for a long time coming.
 
Aprox. 5 min per KM is just below (above? Lol) the average runners speed per km at 6 min...

That seems honestly INSANE....


I truly am praying that crosstown is not this bad ...and yes I know it will be this bad maybe worse on the east end.
As a reference point, over 400 runners ran this year's Toronto Marathon 10-kilometre event in under 55 minutes.


CBC - I said it first. Where is my credit lol

We need media to bang the drum! When crosstown opens we need to hear them do it even more!!


Also y'all should read this article. It gives a sort of nuanced perspective of the LRT from local riders.

Can the Finch West LRT Keep Up With Its Promises
 
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Edmonton's Valley Line LRT, a 13.1km LRT running mostly at-grade using the same Bombardier Flexitys as Line 5 and the TTC streetcars, has an average speed of 26 km/h. What are they doing right that TTC is doing wrong?
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Edmonton's Valley Line LRT, a 13.1km LRT running mostly at-grade using the same Bombardier Flexitys as Line 5 and the TTC streetcars, has an average speed of 26 km/h. What are they doing right that TTC is doing wrong? View attachment 701462
It's more of what the TTC wrong; it's an inept organization that does everything in their power to slow down LRV operations.

I wonder if they are spying on their operators on this line through their vehicle tracking system and supervisors, like they are on streetcar lines to ensure that operators obey all their idiotic SOP's (ie: crawl at 10km/hr at signalized intersections, crawl through special trackwork, crawl under rail underpasses, etc.).
 
From the CBC article Reece posted:

TTC spokesperson Stuart Green said in an email that the initial scheduled travel time for the LRT, based on the testing phase, is 46 minutes from one end to the other.

"As we move towards full service and beyond, improvements to average speeds are expected through operational familiarity and confidence and adjustments to corridor operation in collaboration with the City of Toronto," he wrote.


So hopefully we do see times creep up.
 
When Metrolinx was doing the testing it was Alstom employees operating the trains and even they didn't start at 60km/h. The reality is, the TTC operators still need to familiarize themselves with these new trains before they can feel comfortable operating them at 60 km/h without incident. And that will happen. ION in KW didn't go full speed at launch either (and that was even before they enabled ATP there), that speed ramped up over time like it will for Line 6. The service today should be considered anomalous. It's Launch day with extreme levels of passenger volume because it's the first new line to open in 23 years and they made it free on the first day attracting even more people. Everyone needs to settle down.
Well this is a problem for TTC and Metrolinx to figure out then, they need to integrate TTC into the RSD or any other testing and training. Otherwise every future transit project will need to start with this “ramp up” period.
 
Edmonton's Valley Line LRT, a 13.1km LRT running mostly at-grade using the same Bombardier Flexitys as Line 5 and the TTC streetcars, has an average speed of 26 km/h. What are they doing right that TTC is doing wrong? View attachment 701462
There are a bunch of off street segments whether in tunnels, viaducts, or just running the line off to the side like this:
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This is the problem with doing direct comparisons with "Light Rail" systems. Each line is so different whilst running in different environments that direct comparisons are rarely helpful.
 
I was busy on a different train yesterday, so today was my first ride on Line 6.

I brought my stopwatch, and kept track of the time we spent stationary waiting for traffic lights. I counted only the time when the vehicle was totally stationary, and did not include the considerable “creep” time that was wasted when the vehicle coasted towards a red light. Nor did I count the “creep” time attributable to stopping for a light, then having to proceed at slow speed to make a stop at a farside platform.

i departed Humber College at 12:12, and arrived at Finch West at 13:04 - a 52 minute trip.

The total time spent sitting still waiting for traffic lights was 11:29.

In my view this is simply unacceptabe. Even applying TPS to half the intersections would significantly improve trip time. And when one considers how much slow-speed running is caused by operators coasting towards lights, or moving slowly towards platforms (it appeared that in most cases, even with green signals, operators braked ahead of intersections and then crept across them slowly into the farside platforms) - there is a great deal of additional speed that can be attained.

For that matter, trams wait 6-8 seconds after doors close before starting to move. Eliminate thise pauses, and a minute is shaved across the entire trip.

My performance standard for LRT is simple: the same as a subway. The doors shut, the vehicle immediately accelerates at full power until track speed is reached, the vehicle runs at track speed until making a single fairly firm deceleration (the kind that makes standees grab the handrail) and stops at the next platform.

By that standard, in today’s state Line 6 wasn’t worth the money.

- Paul

Ps -- the turnouts and curve at Humber is signed for 10 km/hr - and we crawled around them and on the curves to Mount Olive

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Well this is a problem for TTC and Metrolinx to figure out then, they need to integrate TTC into the RSD or any other testing and training. Otherwise every future transit project will need to start with this “ramp up” period.
After Ottawa i am very confident every transit project in this province and likely also Quebec will start with a ramp-up period like this. On new lines at the very least.
 

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