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Fate of the SRT
- Thread starter Dan416
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Here!!! Here!!!
kEiThZ
Superstar
You won't hear a peep from the pro-LRT crowd about this mess of a project. No stops at Markham and Milner. Brilliant. Building the extension in 2 phases so that they can expropriate good commercial land for a bus terminal that'll be useless in Phase 1 and even more useless in Phase 2. Even if you favoured LRT, why would you build it like this?
Voltz
Senior Member
This projects many failings have nothing to do with LRT, It was designed as a ICTS line that they have only now decided to string overhead catenary on. The project would be much better off if the TTC had not stupidly insisted in ICTS from the begenning.
They would build it all in phase one except there is not enough funding to go all the way, which is because the extension is designed as a expensive grade separated ICTS line
Agram
Active Member
TTC had not stupidly insisted in ICTS from the begenning. ........are you sure it was the TTC who insisted?
http://transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5107.shtml
http://transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5107.shtml
Voltz
Senior Member
Of the refurbishment and extension I mean, I am aware of what happened when the SRT was first built, but even back then the TTC was not entirely innocent.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The SRT line was designed for a variation of the CLRV in the beginning, but the province insisted on ICTS, not the TTC. Today, the TTC is redesigning it for the low-floor light rail vehicles. Since the CLRV was also designed to handle the tight curves of downtown, the original design of the SRT had those curves in mind. With the new LFLRV for the revised SRT being more off the shelf than the downtown streetcars, the curves also have to be more wider. Lastly, the LFLRV are low-floor, so either the platforms have to be lowered or the tracks have to be raised.
RedRocket191
Senior Member
The Municipal Act in Ontario can be summed up like this:
"When the province says "jump" the city says 'How high?' and 'What time would you like your breakfast, master?'"
The city could have taken the province to court to try and stop the original SRT from being built and they would have lost. There is northing they could have done to change any of it. Any power they have is the power of persuasion, and that power is limited by how willing the premier is willing to compromise.
Rainforest
Senior Member
^ I am sure that if the City Council produces a strong majority vote in support of one technology against another, or against a certain project altogether, the provincial government will heed that vote, even though the Municipal Act does not compel it to do so.
The Province may deny the City's request for more money. But if the City wants to use already allocated funds in a certain way, it would be stupid for the provincial government to spend the money and still alienate the City's residents. They happen to be provincial voters as well, even though the riding sizes are somewhat skewed in favor of rural voters.
The Province may deny the City's request for more money. But if the City wants to use already allocated funds in a certain way, it would be stupid for the provincial government to spend the money and still alienate the City's residents. They happen to be provincial voters as well, even though the riding sizes are somewhat skewed in favor of rural voters.
RedRocket191
Senior Member
Amalgamation is the best example of how, in practise, reality is far from ideal.
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Dan416
Senior Member
The SRT is the best example of technology choice run amok. The next best example is Metrolinx's decision to use standard gauge on all Transit City lines making the legacy system and TC completely incompatible from the outset. Especially after a great deal of the legacy system was just replaced with new trackage.
sixrings
Senior Member
So someone from STC will not be able to travel to sheppard via LRT going west bound.... That to me doesnt seem to make much sense.. I would have thought that once the SRT/LRT went to STC it would immediately turn north on MCcowan and connect to SHEPpard there. Guess that wouldnt make any sense....
RedRocket191
Senior Member
As I recall, the TTC decided to use "off the shelf" vehicles for Transit City (which would be incompatible with downtown) long before Metrolinx decided it would be standard gauge.
Dan416
Senior Member
Last I checked, no LRV has been chosen for TC yet. We have new streetcars ordered, with an OPTION for double-ended versions for TC. How would those be incompatible with the legacy network?
Dan416
Senior Member
Last I checked, no LRV has been chosen for TC yet. We have new streetcars ordered, with an OPTION for double-ended versions for TC. How would those be incompatible with the legacy network?
RedRocket191
Senior Member
I defer to sources more knowledgeable than I:
http://lrt.daxack.ca/blog/?p=88
and
http://stevemunro.ca/?p=1047&cpage=1#comment-34798
In a nutshell, the downtown streetcars have to be able to handle sharp curves and have to be able to push a fully-loaded disabled car up an 8% grade. Adding this capability increases the cost. Suburban cars won't need this requirement, so money can be saved by making them less powerful and less nimble - but this prevents them from operating downtown.