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Falsely inflated housing prices +10%?

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This just happened to my family and maybe this can be attributed to the jump in housing prices again this year by about 10%. I am not sure if this is done in the past, but here's my story.

My family is selling our house (asking $600,000) and we had an interested buyer offered to buy our house but using a slight deal under-the-table. The buyer does not have any down payment, but was able to get a 90% loan for our house that is $600,000. So the buyer offered to buy our house over asking price but in actual fact to get the 90% loan that is $600,000 and only give us that. Now on the outside, it seems that the house sold for +10% asking price and the market looks great, but it is just wrong. Is this illegal? I think it probably is.

Anyone else experience this?
 
It's commonly referred to as an "Oklahoma deal", and it is fraud at every level.

Buyer, seller, both realtors, the lawyers closing the deal, the banker or mortgage broker putting the financing together, are all in the fraud.

Unfortunately I see this type of thing all too often, especially in certain pockets of the GTA, and it stinks every time.

Don't do it.

Tony
 
of course it is illegal. how is this person going to proof to the bank the 10% downpayment?, which is $66,666. Banks normally ask for downpayment proof and origin of funds. Your family should not accept that offer. is this person coming with or being represented by a registered realtor?
 
Yes, this illegal. It is mortgage fraud. The bank is being defrauded into think the buyer is making the legally required down payment and they are now on the hook for 100% of the homes value.
From the Star.com

January 26, 2001
`Oklahoma swindle' is just plain real estate fraud
Inflating purchase price on home sale is illegal
What should you do when your real estate agent suggests something that sounds just a bit suspicious? That was the dilemma Mike Westward faced recently, triggered when he read the column on real estate fraud in this space two weeks ago


Westward's e-mail reads:

``I listed my house for sale and my agent said that a client is willing to buy it for $250,000, if I agree to sign a purchase and sale agreement for $270,000 and turn over the difference of $20,000 to the prospective buyer. Apparently, this is a common practice and a creative way of getting around the down payment (the proverbial no money down scheme).

``Now, my question is: Would I face any repercussion if I agreed and proceed with this transaction?''

Westward may be correct in saying this is a common practice and a creative way of getting around the down payment. But it's also illegal for all the parties who participate in it.

The police call it fraud. In the real estate trade, it's known as a variety of the Oklahoma swindle. According to Toronto appraiser Barry Lebow, the Oklahoma is a scheme that involves artificially increasing the value of a property so that the first or second mortgagee is left with security that may be partially or entirely worthless.

Why is the Oklahoma illegal?

Section 362 of the Criminal Code makes it an offence punishable by up to 10 years in prison to obtain credit (such as a mortgage) by a false pretence or fraud. Anyone who knowingly assists in the misrepresentation is a party to the offence and subject to the same penalty.

I have often seen crude attempts to carry out this type of mortgage fraud, but in my experience the transactions never close. In order to successfully conclude the scam, so many people have to be in the know, or asleep at their jobs, that the risk of getting caught is very high.

In addition to the real estate agent, a number of others involved in the transaction will sooner or later find out what's going on. Red warning flags will be going up all over the place in the offices of the lawyers for both parties.

The biggest tip-off is that the deposit and purchase price just don't add up to the total purchase price on the final statement of adjustments. This happens because the deposit is fictitious.

The purchaser's bank and the appraiser often discover for themselves that the underlying value of the property does not support the inflated purchase price. Inevitably, the lawyers involved will spot the fraud.

Agents and others who try to create an Oklahoma expect that the lawyers will either close their eyes to the scam or go along with it without telling the bank. It may look good on paper, but in the vast majority of cases, the scam explodes before closing when the lawyer blows the whistle.

Who gets hurt by these scams? A buyer has no down payment and actually gets money back after closing has very little to lose by defaulting on the loan.

Inflated purchase price scams cost millions of dollars to banks, CMHC, the title insurers, the justice system and, ultimately, the public. One title insurer reported recently that 22 per cent of its claims related to fraudulent transactions.

When I e-mailed a reply to Westward, I told him there was nothing wrong with the inflated purchase price idea if the purchaser's mortgage lender is aware of the facts. If not, I wrote, it is fraud.

I suggested that he report the conduct of the real estate agent to the owner of the brokerage, and file a complaint about the agent's conduct to the Real Estate Council of Ontario. RECO licenses real estate agents and has the authority to sanction them for improper activities.

The vast majority of real estate agents are honest, competent and capable. Those who try to create fraudulent purchase deals should not be allowed to retain their licences.
 
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This just happened to my family and maybe this can be attributed to the jump in housing prices again this year by about 10%. I am not sure if this is done in the past, but here's my story.

My family is selling our house (asking $600,000) and we had an interested buyer offered to buy our house but using a slight deal under-the-table. The buyer does not have any down payment, but was able to get a 90% loan for our house that is $600,000. So the buyer offered to buy our house over asking price but in actual fact to get the 90% loan that is $600,000 and only give us that. Now on the outside, it seems that the house sold for +10% asking price and the market looks great, but it is just wrong. Is this illegal? I think it probably is.

Anyone else experience this?


i wonder if this is what has been happening the past few months, if not years, since prices seem to go up continually without rhyme or reason, thus providing the buyer with the '10% down payment' ?!?
 
i wonder if this is what has been happening the past few months, if not years, since prices seem to go up continually without rhyme or reason, thus providing the buyer with the '10% down payment' ?!?


Make no mistake, this type of thing is happening, but it's not enough to move the market.
 
At the risk of being repetitious and obvious: this behaviour is fraudulent and illegal. As a vendor, don't get involved. It could come back to bite you, especially if you are foolish enough to help this character by offering "vendor take back" financing. If a realtor and a lawyer are involved, they are careless at best, and if participating with knowledge of a fraud, they are in contravention of their respective codes of ethics. They can be booted from their respective professional bodies, and even charged criminally.
 

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