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Education Director Proposes Boys-Only School

kettal said:
I know people who have taught in all-boy (religious) school. It's a cesspool for insanity. Boys need girls to keep them in line.

And I'm sick of this TDSB stupidity. They complain about shutting down schools because there's not enough kids in Toronto. Yet at the same time, Afro-centric specialty schools??

Sheesh.
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Well, isn't the argument in favour of all boys schools that the insanity actually helps the boys learn?

As long as everyone is back together for high school, what is the harm?
 
EnviroTO said:
If they have an afro-centric school, religious schools, ESL schools, French immersion schools, and boys schools... the boy's school is going to be the White & Asian Anglo Male school. I'm sure this will really help race relations and removing gender bias. Who needs an elite private boys school if you can use race, religion, language, neighbourhood, and gender to segregate and get almost the same result.
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What will happen to school sports?

All of these segregated schools are ridiculous.

What if you're a gay asian male who doesn't fit into any of their segregated categories?
 
What if you are a heterosexual male which has a learning style similar to most females? The education system needs to be aware of the different types of learning styles, personalities, and motivators of students but ways of thinking and likes or dislikes are not perfectly separated by gender and race. Everyone is different. What about the South African transgender runner? What school does she go to and does what she is need to be put out there in the open for all to see just to go learn math and english?
 
I think single-sex schools are better academically. My sister went to Holy Name of Mary before it was re-privatized and she thought it was a good experience. She didn't grow up socially inept either. Although that was a high school, she went to a normal elementary school. It's really hard to compare anecdotes, but Holy Name is highly regarded apparently. At least it was, I dunno if that's changed since it was privatized.

I like the idea of having the school mixed, but the classes separate. A good compromise no?
 
Don't forget that this is an alternative school, not the neighbourhood elementary school. No one is forcing a kid to go to this school.
 
prosperegal said:
Don't forget that this is an alternative school, not the neighbourhood elementary school. No one is forcing a kid to go to this school.
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because parents never force their kids to do anything they don't want to do.
 
Prometheus The Supremo said:
because parents never force their kids to do anything they don't want to do.
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I mean that there are no district lines for this school. No one is saying that people at such and such an address are supposed to send their children there.

By the way, I was the one who told my parents to send me to BSS. They wanted me at Havergal.
 
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Prometheus The Supremo said:
I think single-sex schools are better academically. My sister went to Holy Name of Mary before it was re-privatized and she thought it was a good experience. She didn't grow up socially inept either. Although that was a high school, she went to a normal elementary school. It's really hard to compare anecdotes, but Holy Name is highly regarded apparently. At least it was, I dunno if that's changed since it was privatized.

I like the idea of having the school mixed, but the classes separate. A good compromise no?
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I imagine that it'd be a big issue for something like a race or catholic school. In fact, I know a bunch of people that went to catholic high schools that were forced into it by their parents. And I'm sure that if there was a chinese/indian only school, parents would just be lining up to send their kids there (probably against their will.)
But I think with a boys-only school, you won't get that same attitude. With an all-girls school, you might get a lot of girls coming in who either don't want to be pressured or bothered by boys, or who's parents feel they shouldn't be mixing with boys for whatever reason. I don't think there are a lot of parents who think that for boys. There's not the same sense of protection, especially as school becomes more important, and I'm pretty sure that an overwhelming majority of parents think their boys should mix naturally with other people, no matter what demographic you come from.

This will probably end up being a kind of school that'd get all the bad apples shipped into, masking a lack of social or learning skills with "boy's needs." However, I can really only see this working for high school students. Taking out a large portion (if not all) female interaction in elementary school would definitely not be good for either their current social lives or their behavior down the road. Not to mention that I think the acting out and lower test scores really only become a problem about after grade 7, and they only really matter when you get into high school and things actually count.

I'd like to see how this plays out. As an elementary school, I can only see it ending as a disaster. The chances are slightly better as a high school, but then there's the possibility that it'll simply act to suck all the delinquents out of the area just as an alternative school does.
 
It's not like this is the great unknown frontier of education. It works well in the separate system, why would it be problematic in the public system? I went to Neil, and I'm racking my brain trying to come up with examples of students that got forced to go there by their parents. Most of us (myself included) wanted to go there, and commuted from the other end of the city to get there.

It may work out a little differently for an elementary school, but I can't see how the secondary school model will fail to transfer to the younger group.

I'm certain that I would push my children to go to a single-sex high school (it would be their choice in the end), and if the same option were available for elementary school I would definitely take it
 
Second_in_pie said:
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I'd like to see how this plays out. As an elementary school, I can only see it ending as a disaster. The chances are slightly better as a high school, but then there's the possibility that it'll simply act to suck all the delinquents out of the area just as an alternative school does.
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That might be true...I can only think of two boys-only schools which take students before Grade 3: UCC and Sterling Hall. However, I have heard that for boys, it's better to have them away from girls younger, while the reverse is true for girls.
 
syn said:
What will happen to school sports?

All of these segregated schools are ridiculous.

What if you're a gay asian male who doesn't fit into any of their segregated categories?
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Depends on what you identify with more, being Asian, male or gay?

Aren't there schools for all 3 categories?
 
I had a good chat about this at my daughters' school with the other parents. Their response, especially from the women, was that for over a hundred years the girls have had to fight and struggle their way through a male-dominated, sometimes-mysoginist school system, and now that the girls are finally doing better than the boys, the boys get their own school away from the girls. No one cared enough about the girls to give them their own school away from the boys, instead they just had to struggle through the system. I have to say, being a dad of two girls, I had the agree with much of their point of view.

A separate school for boys will become a separate school for the troublesome and underperforming boys. Just like an Africentric school is a magnet for kids who can't or won't hack it with everyone else in school. Thus, if I was a parent of boys, I'd not want my kids to be anywhere near that school, and instead would find the best scoring school and put my kid there.
 
I don't think the board can force any child to go to an alternative school. It's up to the parents to get them in. For that reason, I suspect that this (like the Afrocentric school) will be quite successful: any student whose parents take that much interest in their education is far more likely to be successful than the average.
 
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