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A subway can go to the fields if it’s pulling people into dense areas, but if it acts and looks like commuter rail being above ground.
You're generalizing a bit too much. What about local councillors?I think the people of Scarborough is partly at blame here. One has to think hard about what they demand for because if one’s demands are too far fetched from what’s reasonable, then nothing usually gets done.
What about all those ideas to speed up the line and increase attractiveness that were outright rejected? Sheppard East LRT could have been improved if Giambrone and the TTC weren't as adamant to cancel the 85 bus. That would have allowed for some stations to be dropped and increase the line's speed. I went to those consultations and they wouldn't even commit to heaters at the LRT stops. Let's be honest here, calling Sheppard East "Rapid" was a bit of a stretch, even the Star said so in one editorial.1. Scarborough demanded a subway extension of line 4 when a LRT could have done the job. It fought hard to kill the LRT and is now getting nothing.
Let's be blunt here. The SRT was a mistake. On top of that, it was neglected shamefully by the city. You blame the people for having little faith that the city would not repeat the same pattern?2. Scarborough demanded a subway extension of line 2 while either a renovation of the existing system or an LRT could’ve done the job. They are still fighting.
Keep acting like Scarborough never accepted LRT and that the city at the time was unbelievably inflexible in regards to people's recommendations to improved the LRT plan. If Transit City at the time was led by Metrolinx instead of Giambrone/Miller, things could have turned out very differently as Metrolinx actually listens (maybe too much at times...Leslie stop)And people need to stop pitching the equal treatment against population density. Subways are about density and should only be used when there are no alternatives.
How would they fund said schemes? Leaving Toronto is like being the ignored child leaving the family to become homeless and invisible.This thread is an excellent argument for de-amalgamation.
Scarborough's nonsense is holding the rest of the city back. The entitlement is unbelievable.
As they're own city, they can come up with whatever crazy schemes they'd like and figure out a way to pay for it themselves.
This thread is an excellent argument for de-amalgamation.
Scarborough's nonsense is holding the rest of the city back. The entitlement is unbelievable.
As they're own city, they can come up with whatever crazy schemes they'd like and figure out a way to pay for it themselves.
How would they fund said schemes? Leaving Toronto is like being the ignored child leaving the family to become homeless and invisible.
Very idiotic comment... You're getting hard to take seriouslyThis thread is an excellent argument for de-amalgamation.
Scarborough's nonsense is holding the rest of the city back. The entitlement is unbelievable.
As they're own city, they can come up with whatever crazy schemes they'd like and figure out a way to pay for it themselves.
This thread is an excellent argument for de-amalgamation.
Scarborough's nonsense is holding the rest of the city back. The entitlement is unbelievable.
As they're own city, they can come up with whatever crazy schemes they'd like and figure out a way to pay for it themselves.
Very idiotic comment... You're getting hard to take seriously
Right, because downtowners holding out for a subway to replace the Pape bus which carries like 7000 passengers daily aren't entitled.
Heck, I'd be fine with a new law that states that 50% of the municipal share of the capital costs of building new local rapid transit infrastructure (i.e. not GO) must be borne by the former municipality that it's being built in.
You are hard to take seriously. You just double down on your rhetoric and dismiss other people's argument. You still won't comment on what I said... That people wanted the Sheppard LRT project improved but the city wouldn't hear it and that Scarborough-Eglinton Crosstown was an LRT project who was positively received by Scarborough residents.I guess that would make me a pro-SSE argument!
I and others have commented on that numerous times.
Rob Ford's plan would've resulted in the entire transit budget being used, meaning no funds for any other projects like the Finch LRT.
If the plan is as accepted as you suggest, then why not revive it? Why not put funding into that project instead of building a silly extension because 'we deserve it'?
Your constant complaining about the SRT shows a complete lack of perspective. Kennedy to STC in less than 10 minutes is amazing.
If I'm at Kipling and I want to get to Sherway, do you know what my options are? I'll let you figure that one out.
Perhaps you should ask yourself that question? After all, you’re the one here that regularly insinuates that anyone that opposes a single rapid transit stop in Scarborough either has an “anti-Scarborough” bias, or is part of some grand conspiracy to screw Scarborough over.
No you take it that way for you own reasons. I was addressing the constant mockery of another poster, I don't box people in a "you all". So don't even start to accuse me of that garbage. I actually appreciate alternate plans from other posters but do question any tangible cost or time saving going back to anything that would be realistically accepted.
I do think anyone (mainly councillors and the media) who are promoting the old LRT plan is wasting everyone's time at this stage. The unwillingness to get off this transfer laden plan with zero compromise is only going to make politics worse for those are determined for transfer plans. And as if they didn't have enough warning that outside dictatorship is not good for the City they tripled down going with no other alternates.
All they have done is tried to prevent subway stops to help batter the subway and promote an unwanted transfer plan. Surely that was never going to gain them any support.