Hopkins123
Senior Member
Gee, one would think hearing that preliminary tests are being conducted to start construction as soon as possible would be cause for celebration.
Any more nonsense, I'll close the thread to further comments for a day or two. Coffey1, you're not contributing anything helpful in his debate.
This thread is one of the largest, because it is obvious that the right things are not being done. The problems go back 4 years when the city had a choice in finding an alternative to the Ford-McGuinty fully underground Eglinton-Scarborough LRT plan.
The choices were a compromise or a return to the hated Transit City LRT plan with transfer. The subway ($4B), and SmartTrack ($8B) are both attributable to the decision that was made almost 4 years ago. At the time, we said that Ford must be defeated at all costs. Now is the time to pay those costs.
Oh, and Scarborough doesn't have an Apple Store.So we're all in agreement: the downtown cognoscenti, in conjunction with the suburban religious communities, with support from the big brewers, and the Wynne Government, are conspiring to deprive Scarborough of beer in supermarkets, and their precious subway extension.
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We're through the looking glass here, people.
The problems go back to late 2006 when they decided to ditch the $190 million plan to lengthen the stations and upgrade the line to handle newer rolling stock in favour of various pipe dreams. And the thread goes back to 2005 when the started talking about that plan.The problems go back 4 years when the city had a choice in finding an alternative to the Ford-McGuinty fully underground Eglinton-Scarborough LRT plan.
Oh, and Scarborough doesn't have an Apple Store.
Apparently Apple works in conjunction with the major brewers, downtown hipsters, suburban prohibitionists, and the Wynne government in one extremely unlikely alliance.
This thread is one of the largest, because it is obvious that the right things are not being done. The problems go back 4 years when the city had a choice in finding an alternative to the Ford-McGuinty fully underground Eglinton-Scarborough LRT plan.
The choices were a compromise or a return to the hated Transit City LRT plan with transfer. The subway ($4B), and SmartTrack ($8B) are both attributable to the decision that was made almost 4 years ago. At the time, we said that Ford must be defeated at all costs. Now is the time to pay those costs.
Maybe I missed mention of this yesterday, during the unnecessary bickering ...
The Star has been reporting on the argument between Matlow and the planning department over the 9,500 vs 14,000 - http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...chief-planner-over-flawed-subway-numbers.html
Included in it, is an October letter to Matlow that discusses the issues and numbers. http://www.scribd.com/doc/293446043/Letter-from-Jennifer-Keesmaat
In the letter is a useful table, that shows the different numbers, and assumptions.
And you start to see why there is a difference between the two numbers.
It's not hard to see why both numbers might be perfectly valid, based on the assumptions within then.
- One would be the revision of the demographical information for 2031 (with both higher population and employment - and presumably a different distribution)
- Another would be that the 9,500 is for a subway to Scarborough Centre, while the 14,000 is for a longer subway that crosses the 401 to Sheppard
- The 9,500 assumes that the Sheppard subway would also be extended to Scarborough Centre; however the 14,000 assumes that the Sheppard (and Eglinton) LRTs are constructed
The DRL doesn't seem to be part of either estimate. And offhand, I can't think of where there are estimates for the Danforth subway extension that include the DRL.Seems right, and I only skimmed the article. But I thought the biggest shift in modelling data came from adding in the DRL.
Included in it, is an October letter to Matlow that discusses the issues and numbers. http://www.scribd.com/doc/293446043/Letter-from-Jennifer-Keesmaat
In the letter is a useful table, that shows the different numbers, and assumptions.
And you start to see why there is a difference between the two numbers.
It's not hard to see why both numbers might be perfectly valid, based on the assumptions within then.
- One would be the revision of the demographical information for 2031 (with both higher population and employment - and presumably a different distribution)
- Another would be that the 9,500 is for a subway to Scarborough Centre, while the 14,000 is for a longer subway that crosses the 401 to Sheppard
- The 9,500 assumes that the Sheppard subway would also be extended to Scarborough Centre; however the 14,000 assumes that the Sheppard (and Eglinton) LRTs are constructed
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