sixrings
Senior Member
I voted for Tory even though he was pro subway conversion because he had the best chance to beat FORD. I am pro LRT and will be sad if it has to die in order to get rid of FORD.
IIRC, the Miller polls were towards the end of the race.
Smitherman and Ford both ran on a Scarborough subway. The big by-election in 2013 had both Liberal (Mitzi Hunter) and Conservative promoting subway. The Provincial election in June 2014 had both Wynne and Hudak supporting the Scarborough Subway. Both Tory and Doug Ford in the 2014 municipal election supported subway.
It seems that consistantly 75% or more of the public has supported anything but the Transit City LRT plan, yet some people still think that the LRT was loved. The facts say that the LRT plan will not be built. Either find a compromise, or accept the current subway plan.
Of which he still had not entered. Hypothetical support isn't support.
almost every time pollsters have asked "do you prefer a subway on x route for $y, or a LRT on x route for $z, people have favoured the LRT.
You argue that since Tory said that he wouldn't fight the Scarborough subway he supported it, but that's not what he said. What he said was "I’m not going to begin my term as mayor by ripping up an existing agreement," but he said the same thing about the Eglinton, Finch and Sheppard LRTs too. So if you're to argue that Tory is a subway supporter then why wouldn't you argue that he's an LRT supporter too?
Hmm... Didn't Chow push for more bus service while Tory was cold to the idea? Does that make a vote for Tory a vote against transit? Or was Tory a vote against Doug Ford who was against transit?
Even then I'd argue that that doesn't represent the number of people who "hated Transit City".
Does is really matter? If people hated TC as much as BurlOak asserts, you wouldn't have polls showing public support for the Transit City LRT lines vs. the alternatives. We would't see a majority of people, including a majority of residents in Scarborough, supporting the Scarborough LRT over the Line 2 extension. And we definitely wouldn't have polls showing that 2/3 of people would prefer to spend money on completing the Transit City LRT network over the Line 2 extension.
And please, nobody reply with by saying "people voted for the subway in the provincial election". It's not as if people had a choice. All the parties that had a chance of winning jumped on the subway bandwagon. But even if the Liberals didn't jump on the bandwagon, they likely would have won the seats. They were simply hedging their bets by jumping on the subway bandwagon. Furthermore, it's not as if the people were voting exclusively because of the subway. There are far more important issues than this $3.something billion hole. I voted Liberal. I would have voted Liberal if they were the one party supporting the subway. Does that now mean I'm ecstatic about the subway and a Transit City hater? Of course not.
It pretty much means everything RE Liberal support, since they were the party in power when the switch was made from LRT to subway, and they haven't wavered since.The Liberals winning the Scarborough seats means nothing RE public support of the Line 2 extension.
You mean by doing absolutely nothing to kill it? Great strategy!Now that election season is over, Council is moving to kill the project.
Tory's bus plan was superior to Chow's bus plan, if you actually looked at what each was proposing. It still behooves me why the Tory campaign didn't popularize Tory's bus plans during the election.
It pretty much means everything RE Liberal support, since they were the party in power when the switch was made from LRT to subway, and they haven't wavered since.
You mean by doing absolutely nothing to kill it? Great strategy!
That's right, odd word choice in my part.
Still though, Tory announced his bus plan back in May, looooong before Chow announced hers.