steveintoronto
Superstar
Not to overlook NOFLPD (Number Of Flashing Lights Per Dollar)
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syn
Senior Member
This is exactly why we'll have having the same discussion not too long after the one stop solution is done. It'll be new and shiny, but then people will be asking why there aren't more stops like the RT, why their bus rides are longer, why Scarborough only gets one extra stop while downtown has so many, etc.
Then decades from now people will be complaining about the terrible one stop extension forced upon them by the downtown elites and the provincial government.
It's actually kind of hilarious how history is repeating itself. Seems like Miller was originally just righting a wrong.
Subway advocates might find it hard to believe there was a time when it was being argued that not building the LRT would stall development in the 'booming' STC.
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11th
Senior Member
They may also see that the more grandiose section of the line doesn't even enter Scarborough. It will still beat the current bus operation though.
OneCity
Senior Member
And really only improved commutes for the small amount of overall Scarborough commuter pool who used the bus along that stretch.
There will be no real perception change with the Crosstown. Moreso for LRT that includes transfer before the Centre which won't be an issue with the subway extensions.
I do see it as solidifing support for a continuation of the EELRT down the road. But that line doesn't have relevant opposition to begin with.
Allandale25
Senior Member
The status of the revised cost estimate came up again.
pstogios
Senior Member
Unfortunately it could cost $50B and that wouldn’t dissuade the supporters of this ridiculous white elephant.
cplchanb
Senior Member
I hope youre joking about the 50B. if it actually does end up costing 50B the question is HOW and WHY? How did they come up with that number and why would it cost that much to make 7km underground?
with 50B you can probably construct HSR from windsor to Moncton AND buy the trains with $$ to spare. I think at that point if it goes past 10B they should immediately stop all work and switch to converting the existing track to run the Mark IIIs
nfitz
Superstar
Given that some seem fine with $5 billion compared to the original less than $200 million to simply upgrade and the existing RT, the jump to $50 billion is a smaller magnitude ... then perhaps some would be fine if it did cost $50 billion. I'm still amazed anyone is advocating this much for so little gained, compared to what else is on the table.
44 North
Senior Member
So what is the revised cost? I still think it will be lower than current estimate, maybe by about 25-35%. And I have my reasons in believing this. There should be a UT bet on it to make it interesting.
pstogios
Senior Member
Of course I was exaggerating to make the point that the mindless supporters of this project don’t care about the cost.
I’m sure that if it does cost $10B those people will claim every dollar is worth it to Respect Scarborough.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Obviously some people hate SSE so much that any ridiculously exaggerated cost projection they can come up with isn't too high for them.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
The biggest irony being it's actually the DRL that'll for certain cost far multi-billion of dollars more than SSE could ever possibly amount to yet no one on here seemingly will own up to their own hypocrisy over that fact.
Neutrino
Senior Member
DRL will deliver much more benefit.
Rainforest
Senior Member
No doubt that DRL is very important, and in a way, is more important than SSE.
At the same time, DRL will cost substantially more than SSE.
The irony is that those same people who jeer at every indication SSE's cost might have gone up, will throw all their fiscal caution out of the window once the DRL's costs will be announced (and likely will start climbing).
At the same time, DRL will cost substantially more than SSE.
The irony is that those same people who jeer at every indication SSE's cost might have gone up, will throw all their fiscal caution out of the window once the DRL's costs will be announced (and likely will start climbing).
nfitz
Superstar
I thought the most recent number that had appeared was significantly lower than the previous estimate.