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Just me or do none of these look anywhere close to completion?
They're not going to hit the original 2020 date, that's for sure.

Opening 2022 (current target) doesn't seem unreasonable; though I expect Yonge/Eglinton station will still have some work ongoing in 2024.
 

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Transportation planners in this city really love taking the word "rapid" out of "rapid transit."

What a joke. Light rail transit is wasted on this city.
While I think transit planners should push for this to be changed, bureaucratically right now as it stands, its out of their hands.

Signal priority is determined by the department of Traffic Systems Operations in Toronto, and they are a very old school pro-car crowd of people.

What needs to happen is that signal priority needs to be handed off to a third party in the city that decides based upon empirical evidence of whats best for all transit users.
 

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While I think transit planners should push for this to be changed, bureaucratically right now as it stands, its out of their hands.

Signal priority is determined by the department of Traffic Systems Operations in Toronto, and they are a very old school pro-car crowd of people.

What needs to happen is that signal priority needs to be handed off to a third party in the city that decides based upon empirical evidence of whats best for all transit users.
Which means this bunch of people will lose their power, budget and even their jobs...
 

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It's just Toronto being its usual self. It'll never change.
It will only change when the "pre-2000's Toronto" boomers who run this city die.

They are part of a group that understand Toronto from the context of when we used to cheers to the Queen when we drank at bars on the Esplanade. When parking lots filled the city. When Dundas Square was nothing more than a bunch of clothing stores. Not the megacity we are today.

Their Toronto is long but dead but they desperately hold onto these old ways.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This effing city. 15 years &amp; billions of dollars in the making and the Crosstown is only going to have &quot;limited signal priority.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/30wWPkRnEQ">https://t.co/30wWPkRnEQ</a></p>&mdash; John Michael McGrath (@jm_mcgrath) <a href=" ">April 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Something we fear the most...glorified streetcar
Bunching in the tunnel at Laird, here we come!!
 

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I have a feeling that Leslie will become grade seperated in the 2030s. Not just because of the intersection itself but also because it would much more reasonable to short-turn vehicles at Don Mills (Science Centre). Also with OL and RLN. It's kind of a necessity.

I never thought a city-changing LRT costing billions of dollars is actually being held up by the cars who we thought that LRT's were supposed to have priority over
 

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Just me or do none of these look anywhere close to completion?
They sure don't look like they were at a point two years ago, or a year ago, that would have allowed anyone to say confidently that the project would finish on time. Yet, that's what everyone - ML, last government's politicians, and this government's politicians - all said.

I wonder how long ago they first realised that the target date wouldn't be met.

I'm not surprised by any of the delays. In the context of a project of this size, delays and schedule slippage is to be expected. Crosstown hasn't had the kind of huge halts - construction worker fatalities, or technical showstoppers, or rework - that would imply bad management.

To me, the lesson learned is that any future transit project in this city must have an oversight/audit office that is beyond arms length from both the project sponsor and the politicians. That office has to have access to every bit of data and have a mandate to report publicly on project status - spending, work completion, and work targets - without influence from politicians or project management. Kind of a super-Auditor General, super-SIU kind of role.

The issue is truthfulness. There has been none of that on this project.

- Paul
 
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Here's a proposal for grade separating Brentcliffe to Don Mills:
It looks like there is enough space to move all of Eglinton north of the LRT tracks without moving the tracks, which could probably be built without interrupting LRT service. I think this could probably be cheaper than regrading Eglinton, since that would probably require building a taller bridge over the Don. The existing eastbound lanes could become a sidewalk and a two way cycle track (probably the most generously sized in the city, this would allow the Eglinton on the north side to be slightly less wide and thus cheaper).
Brentcliffe Portal (this one is quite a bit of a squeeze - we would probably need a big retaining wall on the north side. But, I think there's probably enough space to fit four car lanes and a narrow sidewalk on the north side (which isn't that necessary actually, given the sidewalk on the south side, so this could probably be eliminated).
Red = road, Green = cycle track + sidewalk on south side
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Leslie:
Red = road, Green = cycle track + sidewalk on south side, yellow = pedestrian bridge (If we need full grade separation for ATC, then this is probably necessary), blue = stairs
The bridge over the Don would need widening and I also included a better accessible connection to ET Seton Park. The CP bridge would also need to be lengthened; this could probably be done by building a new bridge east of the existing one
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Finally, the Celestica interchange would be replaced with a normal intersection, and the rest is pretty simple:
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I made this crude mock-up in Paint 7 years ago, probably for this thread. Everyone ignored it then. Here it is to ignore again. Grade separate the traffic, not the transit. Then add in the station with a simple crosswalk.
A bit of a de-urbanization approach. But by golly it gets the job done.
 

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I made this crude mock-up in Paint 7 years ago, probably for this thread. Everyone ignored it then. Here it is to ignore again. Grade separate the traffic, not the transit. Then add in the station with a simple crosswalk.
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Ummm no. That will destroy the Don River which would be touching the bottom of this loop. Given the accessibility consideration, there will still be a traffic signal for pedestrians crossing the tracks. This dumb ass city still haven't figure out the timing and will allow the signal to turn red when trains are approaching.

I rather they just block the Leslie intersection left turn and let the cars make their U turn at Don Mills to get to Leslie.
 

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