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Conservatives 37% - Liberals 29% - Urban Agenda Dead?

I know... Harper's policies and announcements are so weak but Martin and Layton's have a serious inability to verbalize that. The debate was awful to watch... so many holes in the Conservative plan but Martin was too busy doing the Charter of Rights talk and trumpeting Harper is scary and Layton was too busy announcing the sponsorship scandal (in case we were asleep for last two years) and announcing that the NDP is a choice. The lack of policy analysis in the debate was ridiculous.
 
Investing in highways and personal transportation at a time of soaring energy costs is not thinking about the economy per say, but a good way to get a few more people in rural and suburban ridings to hope aboard the Conservative bandwagon.

I don't think you have the slightest clue in how our highways drive the economy. The majority of the infastructure is used by large transportation companies to haul freight. Coupled with intermodal transportation it is an essential link to getting products moved from one point to another.

As far as our overburdened transportation system go? What systems are you talking about? The TTC is far below the ridership levels of the late 80's - with a bigger network. So there's room to grow.

When the system is maxed out there will cause for expansion.

Sure we want to see subways to virtually any corner of Toronto - but how realistic is this? It will take some time.
 
I don't think you have the slightest clue in how our highways drive the economy. The majority of the infastructure is used by large transportation companies to haul freight.

Sprawl is also driving the economy. Cheap land, cheap oil... great economy. We could probably make a few bucks hunting endangered species and selling them on eBay or join the Japanese on their profitable whale "research" industry. Maybe its time to have something else drive the economy. Maybe rail freight and mixed use neighbourhoods designed for transit. It used to be that manufacturers would always ensure that they were connected to rail... now half the lines have been ripped up eventhough there is more to transport than ever due to cheap oil, free roads, etc. Maybe railways like CN and CP should get free railway land and tracks built and maintained by the government to balance things out considering they are the more environmentally sound choice.
 
It used to be that manufacturers would always ensure that they were connected to rail... now half the lines have been ripped up eventhough there is more to transport than ever due to cheap oil, free roads, etc. Maybe railways like CN and CP should get free railway land and tracks built and maintained by the government to balance things out considering they are the more environmentally sound choice.

agree.
 
Media is starting to find the dirt on this year's crop of Conservative candidates now.

Movie of Pickering Conservative Candidate talking about "the war"

From Trailervision
This guy makes Pat Roberston look avant garde.
Rondo Thomas is one of several "secret" candidates running for the Conservative Party in Canada's election.
While the Conservative Party has presented itself as a mainstream party Rondo Thomas is an ultra-fundamentalist, one of several. Prior to candidacy, Thomas was quite outspoken pledging "war" on same-sex marriage and espousing amazing theories such as:

1) "Marriage is only for procreation"
2) "The Facts are wrong"
3) If liberals had their way, all pro-creation would be eliminated.
4) The world is 6000 years old.

However, once nominated for the party, Thomas fell strangely silent, warned apparently to keep his fundamentalist opinions to himself. However, this video was shot before his nomination and appears in the upcoming DVD for the feature documentary, Escape to Canada.

Meet the real Rondo Thomas.
 
I don't think you have the slightest clue in how our highways drive the economy. The majority of the infastructure is used by large transportation companies to haul freight. Coupled with intermodal transportation it is an essential link to getting products moved from one point to another.

Im not saying maintaining them isnt important or that they dont play a role in the economy. Enviro said it well in that there are lots of ways an economy can be driven (highways, sprawl, etc) but these methods are becoming less of a wise investment. The trucking industry exists because of subsidized roads and cheap fuel. But once the cost of fuel rises higher and higher, and the cost of road repair becomes more expensive, companies are going to start looking for alternatives such as rail which is a far more efficient way to transport goods. If we stick with the same, traditional economic model, there is a strong risk of suffering a collapse from not having a diverse economy (think Ontario and the trouble the automotive industry is allready facing and will continue to face and what impact this may have if more layoffs continue).

As far as our overburdened transportation system go? What systems are you talking about? The TTC is far below the ridership levels of the late 80's - with a bigger network. So there's room to grow.

Actually the TTC may be below its peak numbers, but it is not that far below anymore and is making steady gains each year. And it isnt just about expansion, but also replacing old fleet, upgrading tracks and systems for streetcar routes and the subways. Im not saying that, in specific regard to the TTC, that Toronto needs to construct hundreds of kilometers of subway lines right now, this momment. But expansion does need to take place a little faster than it allready is.

And it is also worth noting that these policies dont just affect Toronto, but every city across the country. In terms of the GTA, the suburbs are greatly lacking in a proper transit infrastructure, and the regional rail network is a joke and needs to begin constructing its own, dedicated rail network so that it can upgrade service without worrying about the whims on CN or CP. These are investments that would make a big difference to the region and would make a lot more sense than more highways. Plus, what about cities like Kitchener/Waterloo-Cambridge? This is a growing area where public transit should certainly be expanded. Ottawa is another city in Ontario that wants to expand its transit network, and needs to, so that it can continue to meet growth demands without highway services. And of course Montreal, Calgary, and Vancouver are 3 more large metros where public transit needs to be addressed.

Given that public transit has essentially been ignored for the past 30 years, there is a lot of work that needs to be done just to bring aging systems up to date, not to mention constructing new transit networks to serve the cities and suburbs that have emmerged in that time that have had no attention payed to them and only up to this point had highways and 6 lane arterials as a transportation means.
 
I don't think you have the slightest clue in how our highways drive the economy. The majority of the infastructure is used by large transportation companies to haul freight. Coupled with intermodal transportation it is an essential link to getting products moved from one point to another.

As far as our overburdened transportation system go? What systems are you talking about? The TTC is far below the ridership levels of the late 80's - with a bigger network. So there's room to grow.
the TTC is a lot more overburdened than the vast majority of highways in canada. it's every bit as important as highways in the GTA, and more so downtown. ridership is down slightly from the 80s but service has decreased on most routes and buses and streetcars are older.

re: via rail, this is from transport 2000:

"The Green Party finally released its official election platform a few days ago. Its transportation policies include more support for car sharing, bicycling and pedestrian infrastructure for municipalities. They also support a massive re-investment in transit facilities, combined with 10-year funding contracts with cities to provide funding stability.

The Greens are the only party with a VIA Rail policy, supporting restoration of passenger rail service to all major regional cities and improving its services nation-wide."


Oh and it might be worth mentioning that the alliance wanted to privatize via rail in their platform.
 
"once nominated for the party, Thomas fell strangely silent, warned apparently to keep his fundamentalist opinions to himself"

The big story of this campaign so far is the insufficiently-remarked-upon roaring silence from the wingnut brigade of the Conservative party. Unlike the last election, someone has done a good job of keeping the loose Tory cannons chained to the deck. Something has changed within the party - I don't know what, but this campaign is quite disciplined compared to previous ones. There are rumours that US Republican party strategists have worked with Harper and his team, which might explain it. Harper is also using the Bush/Cheney 2000 playbook by giving voters the impression that he and his party are considerably more moderate than they actually are. I've been saying for a while now that all the Tories had to do to win an election easily was present themselves as virtually identical to the Liberals policy-wise, but with blue ties instead of red ones. Up until now, their own idiocy, disorganization and ideology prevented them from pulling this off. Perhaps no longer. But why now? What's changed behind the scenes that's finally allowed them to see the obvious?

Of course, they still have plenty of time to let some winger's loose-lipped lunacy sink their tub. It ain't over yet...
 
There's no shortage of lunatics in the Liberal party, which may partly be the reason why they're losing this election. Check out this story about Liberal candidate Andrew Telegdi referring to students as 'nig***s' and not apologizing for it. With people like that Martin is toast.

www.warrenkinsella.com/musings.htm
 
BrianH:

Indeed, which also explains why the policy platform seems full of missing links - which presumably would be the unpalatable elements left out for the sake of improving electability.

That said, the Conservatives will have to tread very carefully - they were not chosen to "lead" the country on the basis of their platform; they were chosen on the basis that the Liberals were no longer considered fit to govern.

AoD
 
Oh and it might be worth mentioning that the alliance wanted to privatize via rail in their platform.

Interesting to know that they actually put it in their platform, I hadnt known that until now.

Not surprisingly Ive received no answer from trying to contact the Conservatives about their position on VIA Rail. I wont assume anything, but I think its fair to say that between old Alliance ideals, a large base of Western support where VIA is viewed with disdane, and its seeming lack of interest in public transit issues, I would put the odds that their plans do include privitiazation or downsizing at 1:2. Its more likely that this wont happen than will, but if it did, I wouldnt be in the least bit surprised.
 
The Star today pretty much endorsed the Liberals (at least as far as the urban agenda goes)...

EDITORIAL: Liberals best hope to champion cities

Jan. 12, 2006. 10:25 AM

Exactly four years ago today, in a front-page editorial, this newspaper launched a campaign demanding fundamental change in the way Canada treated its big cities. We argued that large urban areas, like Toronto, needed a "new deal" delivering new funding, new powers and new respect. And we urged officials in Ottawa and Queen's Park, business leaders and mayors, to support a determined drive for change.

Now, on the fourth anniversary of that clarion call, public officials are starting to listen and, more important, act. Cities are reaping new money from their share of gasoline taxes; there has been fresh funding for public transit, and Toronto is set to get many powers now held by the province.

The campaign has made undeniable progress. But more must be done. The bold new deal that cities need has not yet been delivered in full. And voters should bear that in mind when they go to the polls on Jan. 23.

Big cities still need a stable source of money drawn from taxes that grow with the economy. That is especially true for Toronto, which faces a $532 million budget shortfall. All cities need a designated share of sales-related taxes, or income tax. But progress won't happen toward that goal without a government in power that respects and understands urban areas.

So far, cities have not received the attention they deserve in the current federal election. All parties should do more to address that gap.

To date, though, the Liberals have proven themselves strong stewards of the urban agenda. It was Prime Minister Paul Martin who lifted from municipalities the burden of the goods and services tax, saving communities $7 billion over 10 years. He also delivered a share of the federal gasoline tax worth $2 billion a year, when fully rolled out. And, in a formal policy package released yesterday, the Liberals promise to build on these commitments to make a new deal for cities a key part in Canada's success.

To his credit, New Democratic Party leader Jack Layton furthered the municipal agenda last summer by pressing the Liberal government to provide $800 million in extra funding for transit. Layton also wants to accelerate the sharing of federal gasoline taxes with municipalities. However, Layton is unlikely to have much success, if the Conservatives win the election, in pressuring a Tory government to do the right thing.

Canada needs a party in power that understands the vital importance of a new deal for cities. And Conservative leader Stephen Harper has been less open to that message than other national leaders.

Harper has promised to retain Martin's basic new deal accomplishments, but his own steps forward on this file have been tentative and indirect. He has proposed a minimal tax credit for transit costs incurred by a subgroup of commuters. And, in a policy release yesterday, Harper announced a five-year, $2 billion fund to be spent mainly on highways. It hardly amounts to an inspired agenda for cities.

To quote from the Star's editorial four years ago: "Great cities don't happen by accident. They are built on a foundation of daring ideas, smart investments and political determination."

Of the two parties in a position to form the next government, the Liberals are the best option for cities and those who fight to advance them.
 
Too bad most people couldn't care less about proper investment in cities. Many think cities are just too irresponsible and unworth of more funding. Assuming they won, the Conservatives could do nothing for cities in their mandate, but as long as they did decently in other areas, people would have no trouble voting them in again.
 
"Mayor, Tory MPs meet over cities deal"


Jan. 14, 2006
PAUL MOLONEY
CITY HALL BUREAU

www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs...=News/News


A senior Conservative MP met with Mayor David Miller yesterday in an attempt to mend fences over the federal party's position on a new deal for cities.

"This is about starting to build some bridges and make sure everybody knows what everybody's doing," Monte Solberg, the party's finance critic, said in an interview. "There have probably been some misunderstandings in the past, but that's why we're here."

The 45-minute meeting in the mayor's office was requested by the Tories, whose leader, Stephen Harper, has been criticized by Miller for not getting behind a new deal. Miller's office said the mayor had no comment on the meeting.

Solberg and York-Simcoe MP Peter Van Loan emerged from the meeting to say Ottawa should be doing more to develop Toronto's waterfront.

"We've seen $25 million go without any real results yet," Van Loan said. "The money's been spent largely on consultants. We need to see some real results, some real cleanup of the lands, some real infrastructure constructed, some real improvements proceed."

Harper has said that a Conservative government would give cities and towns a say in policy areas that affect them, such as housing, transit, infrastructure and immigration. But critics have attacked the party's gas-tax plan, saying it doesn't give cities direct access to the money, distributing it instead in the form of a percentage of tax revenues that provinces can spend as they please.

In April, Miller said the Tories had shown little inclination to adopt policies helpful to cities.

But yesterday Solberg (Medicine Hat) said his party would not only honour waterfront revitalization agreements between Ottawa and the City of Toronto, but would do so quicker than the ruling Liberals have proceeded.

"We're just reminding the mayor that the government's been in power for 12 years, it's announced waterfront projects 20 times. Nothing's ever happened," he said. "We're here to tell him we're not just going to commit, we're going to deliver."
 
So with all the city issues such as transit, welfare, child care spaces set to be eliminated by cancelling the program already started by the Liberals, social housing, and GST transfers... the end result from the neo-con MPs (note: Tory means Progressive Canadian party member to me) and mayor meeting is that the waterfront is important. I wouldn't have put waterfront as the issue Toronto is most worried about.
 

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