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Complaining: Toronto's official sport?

People in cities all over Canada complain far too much about their cities of residence (it's a particularly Canadian phenomenon in NA, perhaps inherited from our British forefathers). I think the difference is, Torontonians don't spend a lot of time complaining about other cites in the country while other cities in the nation spend at least half their time complaining about Toronto.
 
Toronto is one big and interesting feast , with all the ingredients you can imagine. Look at complaining is the very end of the spectrum.
 
The real question here is:

Why not complain? Higher taxes, higher transit fares, higher rents, fewer job prospects, poorer customer service, largesse public spending, special-interests dominating the public agenda, snobbery, etc., etc.

When will things turn around?
 
Almost every day I'm struck by how much I love this city. Then the winter comes, and I wonder why I don't live in Costaguadalamexico.

Hahaha, very well said. I get a bit annoyed when my friends complain about the heat in the summer, 'cause they're the same people complaining about the winter. I will whine about the snow and the cold but say nothing bad in the summer months.
 
Hahaha, very well said. I get a bit annoyed when my friends complain about the heat in the summer, 'cause they're the same people complaining about the winter. I will whine about the snow and the cold but say nothing bad in the summer months.

I love snow. You will never hear me complaining about it. I don't like heat very much but I don't complain about that either since it's annoying when people complain about the weather.
 
Why not complain? Higher taxes, higher transit fares, higher rents, fewer job prospects, poorer customer service, largesse public spending, special-interests dominating the public agenda, snobbery, etc., etc.
Surely customer service has improved in the last few decades ... it seemed horrible to me here in the 1980s. Special interests dominating the agenda - not even sure what that means. Fewer job prospects ... we've done very well in this recession compared to most other countries.

The rest of your complaining is about ... inflation. Really? Why, inflation is so low now, compared to what it used to be. What next, you'll be complaining that your savings account doesn't pay you 8% interest anymore?
 
A friend of my next door neighbour's came from out of town for an impromptu barbeque last weekend. He was blown away by the cameraderie between the neighbours on the street, all the great people that just happened to pop by and say hi, how quiet our street was, all of the big trees and the general atmosphere. He kept gushing at how lucky were are, and he did it more an more with each subsequent beer he drank. You could tell he was genuinely impressed.

I can't speak for others, but this stuff is not lost on me. Visitors tend to love Toronto when they come and visit. It's not going to blow anyone away as a tourist destination, but I put our lifestyle right up there with anywhere.
 
Surely customer service has improved in the last few decades ... it seemed horrible to me here in the 1980s. Special interests dominating the agenda - not even sure what that means. Fewer job prospects ... we've done very well in this recession compared to most other countries.

The rest of your complaining is about ... inflation. Really? Why, inflation is so low now, compared to what it used to be. What next, you'll be complaining that your savings account doesn't pay you 8% interest anymore?

He doesn't even say what he is comparing to. Is it a time in the past? Do you have any idea how much lower income taxes today are compared to 20 years ago?

Or perhaps he is comparing us to some mythical perfect city with high labour demand, low rents, low taxes, and free transit. Wonder where that is?
 
The few torontonians i've come across that complain on a daily basis don't actually live in toronto. They're from the suburbs and i refuse to take their criticism as they are usually biased.
However, the past couple of months that i've been looking over the remarks in UT i've realised that complaining is an actual sport for torontonians.
I wonder whether these people have actually lived in other cities.
You really need to be able to laugh at yourself and realise that perfection does not exist. That being said everyone everywhere has some sort of criticism regarding their city.
My point is, Toronto is a wonderful city. Next time you wanna complain take a walk at cabbagetown, go shopping in kensington or queen west, go have a drink on king east, go enjoy a baseball, basketball or soccer game (i purposely left out the leafs), go enjoy one of the many festivals and the variety in the neighbourhoods. Or you can just sit on your ass and scream at the city and the people running it.

I've noticed the same thing. Most of the people I know who complain about Toronto (whether it's about how little there is to do, finances, etc.) don't live in Toronto and often don't spend much time here either.
 
Surely customer service has improved in the last few decades ... it seemed horrible to me here in the 1980s. Special interests dominating the agenda - not even sure what that means. Fewer job prospects ... we've done very well in this recession compared to most other countries.

The rest of your complaining is about ... inflation. Really? Why, inflation is so low now, compared to what it used to be. What next, you'll be complaining that your savings account doesn't pay you 8% interest anymore?

He doesn't even say what he is comparing to. Is it a time in the past? Do you have any idea how much lower income taxes today are compared to 20 years ago?

Or perhaps he is comparing us to some mythical perfect city with high labour demand, low rents, low taxes, and free transit. Wonder where that is?

People have totally missed the gist of my post. Citizens complain to address wrongs committed against us by the very people we've elected in to represent our interests. So long as elites think that they can get away with their poor work ethic, the modus operandi of Tax and Spend will go on un-reproached.

Toronto's operating budget has increased by 50% in the last 5 years. With the City of Toronto Act, courtesy of Mr. McGuinty, Mayor Miller caved to the unions on the Sick Bank. Property taxes that are rising well beyond the rate of inflation, bag tax, garbage tax, unionized wage increases during a recession, land transfer tax, license plate tax, new and ever increasing user fees, and a general sense of entitlement and disregard for the taxpayer by City Council. On Friday, May 7th Mr. McGuinty said Ontarians should want to pay more taxes in order to leave a legacy, like our grandparents did, for future generations. My response to Mr. McGuinty is, our grandparents never paid anything close to the taxation levels of this generation. Is it possible that those with secure government jobs that include generous indexed pensions, early retirement, along with very comprehensive pre and post retirement health care, primarily at the expense of the public purse, don't appreciate the plight of the average taxpayer?

The Fraser Institute recently released a report which tells us that Canadian tax bills (1961-2000) have increased by 1,624% while expenditures on housing increased by 1,198%. And just to put that into context the report also noted that during the same time frame food had only increased by 559% and clothing 526%... taxes are taking a greater part of a family's income than basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing. City halls in Ontario have become dysfunctional...Toronto included. Oh sure, there are some good councillors but many of them still don't get it. Constantly increasing taxation is becoming a serious matter for young families in Canada, including Toronto. In the upcoming fall municipal elections people need to remind politicians that the quality of life that we enjoy is the result of a vibrant private sector that generates tax dollars and not the politicians who spend them.

Since the days of John Sewell, this city has been hijacked by the socialist left and the disastrous results of their policies can be seen all around us. When a bridge to Toronto Island becomes the theme of an election (a topic which I warrant 80% of the city doesn't give a hoot about!), you know the agenda has been hijacked. All we hear about in election campaigns are the plight of the 'homeless', bicycle lanes, green roofs and other such nonsense. Meanwhile, jobs are fleeing the city, services are in obvious decline, traffic is out of hand, infrastructure is crumbling, there are shootings in our schools - but none of this seems to make it to the election campaigns on their own. We need someone in the Mayoral chair to at least raise the issues that most of the people care about, rather than the vocal cabal of 5% who seem to monopolize City Hall's resources and time. It's easier to paint a few lines on Jarvis St to shut the bicycle lobby up, then it is to actually fix the traffic problems in this city, for example.
 
The Fraser Institute recently released a report which tells us that Canadian tax bills (1961-2000) have increased by 1,624% while expenditures on housing increased by 1,198%. And just to put that into context the report also noted that during the same time frame food had only increased by 559% and clothing 526%... taxes are taking a greater part of a family's income than basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing. City halls in Ontario have become dysfunctional...Toronto included. Oh sure, there are some good councillors but many of them still don't get it. Constantly increasing taxation is becoming a serious matter for young families in Canada, including Toronto. In the upcoming fall municipal elections people need to remind politicians that the quality of life that we enjoy is the result of a vibrant private sector that generates tax dollars and not the politicians who spend them.

Have you read this Fraser institute report you cite? I'm looking at it right now, and is showing that the tax burden as a percentage of income peaked in the 1980s, and has been on a downward trend for the past decade.

Food and clothing have become much cheaper over the years, thanks to globalization, chinese textile factories, new technology, and farm subsidies in exporting nations.

Since the days of John Sewell, this city has been hijacked by the socialist left and the disastrous results of their policies can be seen all around us. When a bridge to Toronto Island becomes the theme of an election (a topic which I warrant 80% of the city doesn't give a hoot about!), you know the agenda has been hijacked. All we hear about in election campaigns are the plight of the 'homeless', bicycle lanes, green roofs and other such nonsense. Meanwhile, jobs are fleeing the city, services are in obvious decline, traffic is out of hand, infrastructure is crumbling, there are shootings in our schools - but none of this seems to make it to the election campaigns on their own. We need someone in the Mayoral chair to at least raise the issues that most of the people care about, rather than the vocal cabal of 5% who seem to monopolize City Hall's resources and time. It's easier to paint a few lines on Jarvis St to shut the bicycle lobby up, then it is to actually fix the traffic problems in this city, for example.

There has been PLENTY of discussion this election on infrastructure, city services, and transit. Where have you been?

Yes school shootings would make a great topic during an election. At one podium we will have the candidate who is against school shootings, and at the other the candidate who is in favour of school shootings. I can assure you that bike lanes and homelessness affect the city more than do school shootings.
 
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... there are shootings in our schools
Good grief, your playing the crime card, in a city with one of the lowest crime rates and murder rates in the continent? And a rate that has declined since Sewell was mayor? Pull the other one .. it pays a tune!
 
Since the days of John Sewell, this city has been hijacked by the socialist left and the disastrous results of their policies can be seen all around us.

I really think you should write a book on the history of Toronto. I honestly think your version of that history would be hilarious. In 1978 the Red Army descended upon Toronto and forced voters (at gunpoint!) to elect the People's Government, which has held uninterrupted power since then. Meanwhile, rightwing governments at the provincial and federal levels looked on in horror wondering "Whatever shall we do to help those poor souls in Toronto?" But the People's Government refused all aid from those Capitalist Imperialists at Queen's Park and in Ottawa, proceeding instead to consolidate power in Metro Hall. This culminated in 1998, when the People's Army marched into the inner suburbs and liquidated their local governments (the Chairman of the Socialist Left Party of Toronto actually said at the time "we have gone over to a policy of liquidating the Scarborians as a class"). Since then, the socialist left has weilded power almost omnipotently across what they call the Workers' Socialist Megacity, taxing and spending with impunity. The situation seemed all but hopeless until brave pro-democracy activist Rob Ford stood up and said enough was enough! He became a leader of the Complainers' League of Toronto, a grassroots movement founded on the principle of non-violent complaint. Their philosophy held that complaint "address[es] wrongs committed against us." They began a campaign of mass complaint. Tirelessly, noble advocates worked round the clock complaining via comments on newspaper websites (particularly the Toronto Star, the state-run leftist propaganda publication). By never offering concrete solutions to the problems facing the city, they were able to unite otherwise diverse factions under one banner. Freedom was on the horizon! Chairman Miller stepped down and free elections were promised for 2010. By 2020, Toronto was finally free from taxation and all of the lack of investment in infrastructure that goes with it! And all it took was a few brave men complaining!
 

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