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Casa Loma Revitalization

I've read up on this file, and I believe it's a fair proposal by the advisory committee.

I've never really considered Casa Loma much of a tourist attraction and have never suggested to anyone to go see it.

It's time for a change, and in the end the advisory committee didn't leave the Kiwanis Club out in the cold it is actually releasing the burden of maintaing the castle. It also proposed that special fundraising events be mandated to help continue to raise funds for various charities. In return the castle could be properly renovated, maintained and promoted.

It's a win for the city, the public and a win for the Kiwanis club. We should all be living happily ever after.

Louroz
 
hmmmm, interesting. Casa Loma is always one of the first places I recommend to somebody. I guess we all see things differently.
 
I've never really considered Casa Loma much of a tourist attraction and have never suggested to anyone to go see it.

How about Spadina House?

Ideally, Casa Loma and Spadina ought to be a twofer...
 
I agree. A twofer promotion might actually get people to go to Spadina House - and it could certainly benefit from having some money spent on renovations, especially the second floor.
 
If it's a city asset, surely MLSE are hovering somewhere to scoop it up on the cheap :eek :b
 
We can see it all the time up on Austin Terrace. Loads of "dumb tourists" loading and unloading and map-pointing at Casa Loma; and they barely notice that Spadina House exists at all.

Almost like Lisa Simpson's experience of the Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials...
 
I must plead ignorance here too. I don't really know anything about Spadina House. Anybody have a picture? Might be a good opportunity to play tourist and go explore. I wonder if all this press has increased the number of visitors to Casa Loma? It's all about awareness.

I've heard of a big estate open to the public in Oshawa too, Parkside I believe? Has anybody been?
 
Another article from the Star:

Who should run Casa Loma?
A woman who says she's the great-grandniece of Sir Henry Pellatt is an unlikely supporter
of a report calling for a change in the landmark castle's management, writes John Spears
Jun. 17, 2006. 01:00 AM

Her position, Trelawny Howell acknowledges, is not without irony.

Sir Henry Pellatt, who Howell says is the husband of her great-grandmother's sister, asked in his will that the City of Toronto shouldn't be allowed to own Casa Loma.

Yet Howell is now pleading with that same city — the city that seized Pellatt's castle for unpaid taxes — to rescue the castle from the service club that has run it for 70 years.

Though Howell says she's long been irked by the state of the castle, her caustic criticism came to the fore this week as the city began to consider a report calling for a sharp change in the castle's management.

Howell looks every bit the chatelaine — tall, willowy with a cascade of golden hair. She's vague about her age, except to say she's an authentic baby boomer. She motors around town in a turquoise 1966 Mustang.

Her disdain for the way the castle has been managed by the Kiwanis Club of Casa Loma verges on aristocratic contempt as she points with disapproval to one feature after another.

Here, she says, are valuable historic documents hanging on the walls with inadequate security.

Below, in the wine cellar that, according to an information sign is capable of holding 1,800 bottles, there are shelves with space for only 186 bottles. And bottle-shaped recesses in the wall have been plastered over.

In her view, there's not enough information provided to visitors about Sir Henry Pellatt or his wife, Lady Mary Pellatt. (Although she viewed yesterday for the first time, with general approval, a 22-minute biographical film on the Pellatts that has been added this year.)

On a more mundane level, she says the public washrooms are sadly inadequate.

"I'd like to see Kiwanis out of there and all branding removed," says Howell.

"This is Toronto's castle, it's Canada's castle, and it needs to be recognized to showcase Toronto and all our events."

Not surprisingly, Howell's blunt words outraged the Kiwanis club. Some members of Toronto council were also taken aback.

Councillor Mark Grimes says the Kiwanians are a service club who came to the rescue when Pellatt's finances collapsed. Pellatt, a financier, was inspired to build his "house on the hill" by his love for fine art and architecture. Ground broke on the project in 1911 and took three years and $3.5 million to complete.

"They saved this thing way back when, what was it, 70 years ago," argues Grimes.

"They came to the table and nobody was there. I think we kind of owe them a fair shake."

A special city advisory committee urged last month that Casa Loma should be placed in the hands of a trust with 15 directors. The directors would then invite bids from those interested in operating the castle.

The trust's directors would variously represent the city, the province and the community, but not Kiwanis.

Club supporters packed a City Hall committee room this week objecting to the recommendations. A motion by Grimes to delay debate on the advisory committee's recommendations for further consultation with Kiwanis and the public will go to city council at the end of the month.

If consultations are held, they will not be easy: All of the main players disagree about nearly everything, including the adequacy of previous consultations.

Ron Kanter, who chaired the advisory committee, insists the Kiwanians had plenty of chances to explain their position at five separate meetings.

Richard Wozenilek, who heads the board of trustees for Casa Loma, says Kanter and his colleagues weren't interested in advice. The Kiwanians, Wozenilek says, had more to offer than notes and records. "We made Casa Loma into an icon of the tourist industry," he says.

He's also bemused by the committee's proposal that Casa Loma be a "window on the Edwardian era," noting that Edward VII was dead when Casa Loma's foundations were laid.

Kiwanis, Wozenilek insists, should have had a seat on Kanter's committee. Kanter says that since the city had asked for advice on all options, including replacing Kiwanis, that would have constituted a conflict.

Meanwhile, Wozenilek and Howell also agree on nearly nothing — except that Howell was once a member of the Kiwanis Club.

Howell says she joined in the late 1990s out of interest in Casa Loma, but felt shut out of decision-making.

Wozenilek says as far as he knows she never told anyone in the club of her Pellatt family connections and didn't offer to pitch in to fix whatever inadequacies bothered her.

He adds that the club has been unable to confirm Howell's family connection with the Pellatts. He says other Pellatt descendants have told him they don't consider her to be representative of the family, although they're unwilling to come forward in public.

Howell hauls out family memorabilia to bolster her connection. There's a photo of Sir Henry giving away her mother in marriage to her first husband in the 1930s. And there's a cobalt-blue plate, with a swatch of lace incorporated into the glaze, that matches plates on display in the castle.

This is not Howell's first fight over heritage.

Several years ago, she helped lead a campaign to save historic interior features of the Fudger mansion in Rosedale (the house was divided into flats and Howell was a tenant in one at the time).

William Phillips, then secretary of the South Rosedale Residents Association, recalls her as "pretty determined — a person that felt heritage was important."

In the late 1990s, Howell wrote to then-mayor Mel Lastman about her concerns for Casa Loma, she says, but got little response. She renewed her interest with Mayor David Miller, of whom she is an unabashed admirer. At Casa Loma, Howell says one of the first things she'd do, given the chance, would be to abolish the admission charge: $12 for adults, an extra $5 to view the Pellatt film. "To me, it's appalling," she says.

She'd like to see the magnificent stables put to their intended use, with information about where to ride in Toronto and she wonders whether the culinary school of nearby George Brown College couldn't take over the massive kitchens to turn out gourmet food. Kanter's committee similarly recommends a high-end restaurant on the main floor. The Kiwanians say that would cut into important space for public events.

A decision on Casa Loma's future likely won't be made until a new council is elected in November.

Miller said yesterday that's fine with him. Kanter's recommendation to place the castle in the hands of a Casa Loma trust is generally "going in the right direction," he said.

AoD
 
Well, this is a long dead thread, but we have recently started following an interesting new development with Casa Loma plans.

The Kiwanis, which manages Casa Loma for the City of Toronto, has been looking into ways to generate the funds needed to restore more of the building, and to complete more of Sir Henry Pellatt’s dreams.

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First, a little history (a fuller history can be found here):

Sir Henry, a multi-millionaire financier with interests in the railway, mining, and hydroelectric power, built Casa Loma with architect E.J. Lennox, beginning work in 1911. Not all of Pellatt’s interior plans were completed when World War I broke out and construction halted in 1914. The results of the construction were the famous turreted ‘castle’ house we know today, including the Hunting Lodge and Stables which extend north along Walmer Road. The house was habitable, and Sir Henry and Lady Mary moved in, but soon enough the Pellatts ran into increasing financial difficulties, and by 1923 they were forced to move out of the grand estate. The late 1920s saw Casa Loma operating as a luxury hotel and a popular nightspot, and it was during this time that the great hall and billiard rooms were finished. The hotel failed in 1929, and the house subsequently sat vacant through the Great Depression, until the City of Toronto seized the property in 1933 for unpaid back taxes. Several schemes were considered to keep the massive property afloat financially, including making it a permanent home for the Dionne Quintuplets. All plans fell through however, and in 1936 the City considered demolishing the structure. It was then that the Kiwanis Club of West Toronto offered to run Casa Loma as a tourist attraction, and a year later after considerable refurbishment, the building opened to tours.

Original furnishings were sold off when Pellatt’s finances collapsed, and a slow restoration to period condition has continued at Casa Loma under the auspices of the Kiwanis Club of Casa Loma ever since. Tourism figures have not been as high as all involved would have liked, and other functions including dances, film and tv shoots and the like have not paid all of the bills over the years. The Kiwanis Club has come in for criticism from the City for not having put enough money back into the building, and for being too slow to respond to changes in tourism trends. Despite the criticism, following months of negotiations with the City, the Kiwanis’ management contract was extended in 2008 for another 20 years. As part of the agreement, Kiwanis was required to draw up plans to reinvigorate the attraction. Until now the has CIty rejected the plans for a visitor orientation centre, a centrepiece gift shop, galleries, community venues, a theatre, and possibly a five-start restaurant as inadequate.

Here’s the latest:

Kiwanis is floating a new plan now, and have been talking it up with community groups, hoping to gain support before going to the city with it. UrbanToronto caught up at a working group meeting held with the Russell Hill Residents Association this past Wednesday, where discussions about what is being called ‘Casa Loma 2’ were underway.

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Casa Loma 2 entails building a 98-metre tall (321 feet), 28-storey condominium tower on the site of the eyesore parking garage currently sited to the west of the house.

Existing:

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Proposed:

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The tower would be post-modern in design, sensitively blending with the house’s famous turrets, with throwbacks to the neo-Gothic design of Casa Loma, and clad in sandstone precast and a lightly reflective gray glass so as to not overpower the landmark beside it.

At the base of the tower is a four-storey podium which would house the parking garage (both above and below-ground levels) plus amenities for the condominium residents. The podium would also contain space for the visitor orientation centre, a relocated ‘Castle Keep’ gift shop, and a cafe. 'Sir Henry’s Cafe' as well as the gift shop would move out of the lower level of the castle and into Casa Loma 2, allowing Pellatt’s never-completed bowling lanes, shooting range, gymnasium and swimming pool to finally be finished. A search to find an operator for a Fitness Club within those facilities is pending. It was also noted that vines will be encouraged around the hill-side of the podium to mitigate the impact of the new bulk from Davenport Road, and from Casa Loma’s gardens.

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Discussions are also underway to include a 28th-storey rooftop restaurant currently called ‘Top of the Turret’. Rumours are swirling that Dominic Jack of Edinburgh’s Castle Terrace restaurant, recently awarded a Michelin ‘Rising Star’, would be tapped as executive chef.

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As exciting as all of this seems, to many in the crowd this amount of planning seemed somewhat premature for the time being. “You know which chef you want and we still have not hammered out community access to the swimming pool?” was shouted at one point in the meeting, presumably by a local ratepayer, who subsequently stormed out.

Of particular concern for many, of course, is the height of the proposal. As of right, Kiwanis may build a 50 metre tower on the site, which would equal about 14 storeys for the high-end condo they want to construct here. Fourteen storeys will not generate the funds they need however, so they are appealing for understanding from the community. “No one will buy here for less than 9 foot ceilings. We know that purchasers here will want to feel that they are king of their castle, just like Sir Henry did, for a while, anyway, while it lasted” declared Downey Newsom, of DN Design Build of Indianapolis, Indiana, Kiwanis International’s home town, and partner in the project. “We have to go to 28 storeys to make it work.”

As seen from the Toronto Archives:

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As seen from George Brown College:

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Avril Poisson, 71, a resident of the Annex who attended the meeting, had this to say, “My house is just up the street from where Jane Jacobs lived, and there’s no way she would have allowed anything taller than 18, maybe 19 storeys here. 28? You gotta be kidding!” John Knightly, 53, of Lyndhurst Avenue did not even want 18 storeys. “If we moved Giorgio Mammoliti’s Toronto Islands red light district into Casa Loma, we wouldn’t need a condo tower at all. Kiwanis would make all the money they need quickly. And it would be far more convenient!” “Set it up on a trial basis. Call it ‘Red Light Nights at the Castle’” added Trevor Rampallion, 19, a student at nearby George Brown College who boards on Davenport Road. Nina Hilton, 44, of Wells Hill Avenue, was in favour of Kiwanis’ previous plan to convert Casa Loma into a no-slots casino. “We could be another Monte Carlo. World class. I don’t know what the problem is. The place is perfect for roulette wheels.” “I’m just thankful it’s not another green-glass box. This is a very complimentary design” said Roy Croft, 85, of Glen Edyth Drive.

Discussions are ongoing. It will likely take time to build consensus on a plan, but for now Kiwanis’ scheme to build Toronto’s first 6-star luxury boutique resort hotel on the site of the stables is on hold until all of the details of Casa Loma 2 are worked out.

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In the meantime, the City of Toronto continues to restore the crumbling masonry of Casa Loma’s exterior: that work is expected to be complete in 2013 at a cost of $20 Million.
 
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To be honest, the site deserves something far taller. That would be in keeping with Sir Henry's intentions.

The tower podium appears to "dress to the left" - at least when viewed from that angle.
 
Supertall plz. Best clad in a reflective glass.

It'll likely fly into a wall of community opposition.
 
Maybe it needs a retractable roof up top? Or just a permanently exposed dome.

This could be a contentious issue.
 
I think they should get concord to build something here, a nice big green glass condo, that or build a sorta C N Tower part 2, but instead clad in stone! or they could put a watch tower clad in flat screen televisions, showing England's castles!

Then the city could market Toronto by showing how the beautiful country of England is the old york, and we are the neo twenty first century york.
 
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This should be Toronto's next super tall!



Higher higher! With more turrets.







:p
 

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