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[kEiThZ]

The proper way to manage noise at the airport is with noise regs. Instead, we have this weird situation where jets are banned (regardless of size) and all props are allowed (regardless of size). I've been in the back of a CC130 shooting an approach around the CN Tower with the back ramp open. Thanks to dumb regs, this is allowed.

Want to control noise at the airport? Regulate noise. Not engine type.

This is especially relevant as technology improves and high bypass turbofans emit lower noise than turboprops.

 

[Darwinkgo]

The proper way to manage noise at the airport is with noise regs. Instead, we have this weird situation where jets are banned (regardless of size) and all props are allowed (regardless of size). I've been in the back of a CC130 shooting an approach around the CN Tower with the back ramp open. Thanks to dumb regs, this is allowed.

Want to control noise at the airport? Regulate noise. Not engine type.

This is especially relevant as technology improves and high bypass turbofans emit lower noise than turboprops.

Yeah. At least a handful of jets produce less noise than Q400s. C-Series is one. Would have to see about Max and NEOs - they didn't exist in the wild when the preliminary pro-expansion noise studies were done.

 

[christiesplits]

New airline hoping to compete with Porter at Billy Bishop.

New carrier Connect Airlines to launch US-Canada flights in October

A new regional carrier called Connect Airlines plans to begin passenger flights in October between the USA and Toronto’s Billy Bishop City airport.

The company behind Connect is Massachusetts-based charter specialist Waltzing Matilda Aviation (WMA). John Thomas, former group executive of Virgin Australia Airlines, is WMA’s CEO.

The airline intends to link Toronto to Midwest and Northeast US cities using De Havilland Canada Dash 8-400 turboprops, it says.

New carrier Connect Airlines to launch US-Canada flights in October

A new regional carrier called Connect Airlines plans to begin passenger flights in October between the USA and Toronto's Billy Bishop City airport.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Rainforest]

New airline hoping to compete with Porter at Billy Bishop.

New carrier Connect Airlines to launch US-Canada flights in October

New carrier Connect Airlines to launch US-Canada flights in October

A new regional carrier called Connect Airlines plans to begin passenger flights in October between the USA and Toronto's Billy Bishop City airport.

www.flightglobal.com

Assuming no new variants emerge by October, and the vaccines remain effective .. they will compete against both Porter and Air Canada. Maybe, against WestJet as well.

 

[PinkLucy]

Is the social media person their only employee these days?

 

[christiesplits]

Aaaand another delay.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381608192216600582

 

[Rainforest]

Is the social media person their only employee these days?

I think they have some light cargo traffic.

 

[Northern Light]

Aaaand another delay.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1381608192216600582

With the Air Canada bailout news out tonight..........the airline industry bailout cycle has started...........

I sincerely hope Porter is not offered enough to re-start service.

I have every sympathy for their employees.

But none for the employer.

 

[Quint]

With the Air Canada bailout news out tonight..........the airline industry bailout cycle has started...........

I sincerely hope Porter is not offered enough to re-start service.

I have every sympathy for their employees.

But none for the employer.

I'm trying to figure out why anyone would be opposed to a re-start of Porter Airlines. The demise of Porter would not only result in the loss of a lot of great jobs - a tragedy for its many great employees - but also the loss of a great airline (award winning!) that has provided convenient and cost competitive flights to major airports in the Northeast. For those who live downtown taking a flight on Porter just required a short hop on the TTC or if you lived on the waterfront a short WALK with your carry-on in tow. How can anyone be opposed to such an Eco-friendly form of air travel? If you live downtown and you have to fly to Ottawa would prefer flying from Pearson or Island airport? Think about it!

I know that some people living by the airport are opposed to the noise but the airport was there long before any homes so why did they move there in the first place? Why live downtown if you have no tolerance for noise? For me I can't sleep without the background noise of the city.

What I don't understand is why the Porter fleet has been grounded all this time. WestJet and Air Canada's Q400 fleets have been operational during most of the pandemic. I know that the Q400 as delivered was not equipped with HEPA filters - essential for operating during covid-times but the Q400 can be retrofitted with the HEPA filters so I have no idea why they have remained grounded. With proper air filtration the Q400 is ideally suited during covid times since it can break even with just 50% load factors so again it makes no sense to me why Porter has remained grounded during all this time - I just hope that they come back. Something doesn't add up.

 

[Northern Light]

I'm trying to figure out why anyone would be opposed to a re-start of Porter Airlines. The demise of Porter would not only result in the loss of a lot of great jobs - a tragedy for its many great employees - but also the loss of a great airline (award winning!) that has provided convenient and cost competitive flights to major airports in the Northeast. For those who live downtown taking a flight on Porter just required a short hop on the TTC or if you lived on the waterfront a short WALK with your carry-on in tow. How can anyone be opposed to such an Eco-friendly form of air travel? If you live downtown and you have to fly to Ottawa would prefer flying from Pearson or Island airport? Think about it!

I know that some people living by the airport are opposed to the noise but the airport was there long before any homes so why did they move there in the first place? Why live downtown if you have no tolerance for noise? For me I can't sleep without the background noise of the city.

What I don't understand is why the Porter fleet has been grounded all this time. WestJet and Air Canada's Q400 fleets have been operational during most of the pandemic. I know that the Q400 as delivered was not equipped with HEPA filters - essential for operating during covid-times but the Q400 can be retrofitted with the HEPA filters so I have no idea why they have remained grounded. With proper air filtration the Q400 is ideally suited during covid times since it can break even with just 50% load factors so again it makes no sense to me why Porter has remained grounded during all this time - I just hope that they come back. Something doesn't add up.

1) Porter was losing money pre-pandemic. So why throw good money after bad?

2) Second, Porter-owner Robert Deluce has always litigated his way to success w/other people's money. I've never been a fan of that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/porter-ceo-sues-air-canada-1.914794

From this Toronto Life article:

https://torontolife.com/city/the-relentless-robert-deluce/

Deluce won de facto control of the underutilized Island airport in 2005, evicted his sole competitor

Deluce sued the city for $505 million in damages. He dropped the suit after Ottawa wrote a cheque to the Port Authority for $35 million. Porter’s share, $20 million, helped capitalize its 2006 launch.

The article clearly suggests that his airline was started with taxpayer money, twice over, the money for Porter and the money that went into the tunnel to the airport.

I feel about him the way Detroit feels about the Maroun family.

The thought of him at the trough again, lacks appeal.

 

[Towered]

The thought of him at the trough again, lacks appeal.

Quote of the day - understated hilarity!

 

[Northern Light]

An article in The Star from Matt Elliot suggesting that its time to consider closing the airport.

Opinion | It’s time for Toronto to think about whether the island airport should fly post-pandemic

The city’s lease of the lands for the island airport expires in 2033. Maybe it shouldn’t be renewed.

www.thestar.com

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It covers the usual parks vs airport turf; and mentions, as I have, the thought that parks-goers could use the tunnel to walk to the Islands.

One thing it mentions, however, that I wasn't cognizant of; The City's lease of the Island Airport to Ports Toronto expires in 2033.

That's only 12 years from now.

The idea is raised by Matt, that if the City simply chooses not to make supportive noises about an extension, it may hinder on-going investment in the airport..

 

[Johnny Au]

An article in The Star from Matt Elliot suggesting that its time to consider closing the airport.

Opinion | It’s time for Toronto to think about whether the island airport should fly post-pandemic

The city’s lease of the lands for the island airport expires in 2033. Maybe it shouldn’t be renewed.

www.thestar.com

Over the paywall:

Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

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It covers the usual parks vs airport turf; and mentions, as I have, the thought that parks-goers could use the tunnel to walk to the Islands.

One thing it mentions, however, that I wasn't cognizant of; The City's lease of the Island Airport to Ports Toronto expires in 2033.

That's only 12 years from now.

The idea is raised by Matt, that if the City simply chooses not to make supportive noises about an extension, it may hinder on-going investment in the airport..

Billy Bishop Airport could become obsolete if there's HSR from Chicago to Montreal via Detroit/Windsor, Toronto, and Ottawa; from Toronto to New York City; and from Toronto to Boston.

 

[TRONto]

An article in The Star from Matt Elliot suggesting that its time to consider closing the airport.

Opinion | It’s time for Toronto to think about whether the island airport should fly post-pandemic

The city’s lease of the lands for the island airport expires in 2033. Maybe it shouldn’t be renewed.

www.thestar.com

Over the paywall:

Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

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outline.com

It covers the usual parks vs airport turf; and mentions, as I have, the thought that parks-goers could use the tunnel to walk to the Islands.

One thing it mentions, however, that I wasn't cognizant of; The City's lease of the Island Airport to Ports Toronto expires in 2033.

That's only 12 years from now.

The idea is raised by Matt, that if the City simply chooses not to make supportive noises about an extension, it may hinder on-going investment in the airport..

Wonder how this will work out. We'll have different feds, prov and mayor so this could go any way.

 

[TRONto]

Billy Bishop Airport could become obsolete if there's HSR from Chicago to Montreal via Detroit/Windsor, Toronto, and Ottawa; from Toronto to New York City; and from Toronto to Boston.

That's true, but the likelihood of that happening in our lifetimes is very small.