bobbob911
Active Member
There is virtually zero support for the province steamrolling local municipal governance here. And expanding the airport is, at best, a 50/50 issue.
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Billy Bishop Airport Expansion?
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txlseries4
Active Member
Yup. To back this up from Liaison (link). Very stark responses between the two questions of expansion vs Toronto having a say.
mcbg1
Active Member
T3G
Senior Member
So what you're saying is that we should wait until they actually start destroying stuff, at which point it will be too late to reverse the damage, to voice our concerns?
Does the precautionary principle mean nothing to you?
mcbg1
Active Member
afransen
Senior Member
There is a sign that they intend to pave over Little Norway Park, fill in substantial parts of the inner harbour, and kneecap the development potential of the multi-billion dollar Portlands restoration. They may add to the list by doing further damage to the islands.
mcbg1
Active Member
it is public information what they actually intend to do, which is none of what you are saying. Clearly you want to live in crisis mode so that you can keep bitching against the current government so I won't waste my time engaging with you any further. Bye bye!
Sqazi
New Member
What is public is the land that the Province wants to expropriate. As a Torontonian who uses Billy Bishop frequently and supports that airport, I will absolutely not support paving over the park or expropritating any part of the Islands.
Transit
New Member
Referring to the images in the following article, tell me @mcbg1, why does the province require so much of the city's land to improve Billy Bishop Airport?
Why is provincial ownership of Bathurst Street, from south of the Gardiner Expressway to Queens Quay West, and all of Eireann Quay required?
Why is provincial ownership of the entirety of Little Norway Park required, when the government themselves said they only need one-third of the park?
Why was it a MPP from the official opposition who alerted the public that the province included the entirety of the Toronto Islands in its legislation, Bill 110? Why was the provincial government not upfront about this when it introduced the legislation?
https://www.torontotoday.ca/local/c...ord-wants-for-billy-bishop-expansion-12190181
nightstreak
Senior Member
@Civdis Yes, of course some people who don't live on the waterfront don't have the perspective of those who do and even at that, it's less than half citywide. There is little to no support for expanding the airport in the communities that are affected by this. The relevant point here is that Federal Members of Parliament who are in government and one part of the tripartite agreement and unanimously hold these ridings will have to answer to their constituents for not only not intervening but assisting Doug Ford in trampling over local governance where he's been widely rejected both at the municipal and provincial levels.
This.
Notable: even those who support the airport expansion, strongly believe that the city should choose its destiny, not Doug Ford. The Federal Govt. can put an end to this by denying Doug Ford injecting himself into a city matter with who the Federal Govt. has an agreement with. Carney is disappointing downtown Toronto by letting Ford take away our agency in matters that affect us.
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T3G
Senior Member
Alright, let's assume that the bolded isn't true for a second.
What possible reason would they have for including the whole of the islands in the expropriation bill, if they don't intend to do something destructive to them?
PL1
Senior Member
Perhaps they're unsure what they need, so they pass a bill now so they don't have to revise up later? I think it stinks to high heaven, but *maybe* they don't do any destruction of the rest of the islands.
However, I believe they closed the Ontario Science Centre to help with construction of the Ontario line (look at were trucks have access to build the D piers as well as the section in front of the old OSC buildings). I am suspicious that they will do the something similar here.
picard102
Senior Member
Is it that the PIN's are not granular enough to specify which portions they are actually looking to own?
So in short, NIMBY's
The federal government has no power over Doug Ford expropriating the land.
nfitz
Superstar
I don't like the Province taking such control, but this is what the city's idiocy on the issue for the last 20 years leads to. Had the city gone along with the ideas to let in small, quiet, jets back then, they wouldn't be in this mess now. This obsession about putting yet another park, exactly where we don't need a park, now puts the entire islands at risk of whatever bizarre development scheme the province has next.
picard102
Senior Member
Hopefully Chow still has a chance to negotiate this down to just the airport and not the rest of the island.