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Beijing to build world's largest subway

^good point...
China's 2020 highway plan (Beijing is the city marked with a red star)
holy... and when I was there this summer, there were NO cars on most of the highways. We stopped to change drivers, and I walked into the middle of the 4-6 lane freeway (In a rural area) and there was not a single car to be heard. There must've been hundreds of tunnels in that mountain stretch, I wonder where all that money comes from.
 
I can't speak for all of Canada, but here in Toronto there is evidence that the mindset is finally changing. There was a poll in the Star in the days after the municipal election stating that something like 46% of the population feels very strongly that Toronto needs rapid transit expansion to deal with ever increasing gridlock. Only a small minority felt it wasn't a serious issue. And with the constant related articles the Star pumps out and things like the Soberman report, awareness of the potential disaster if we do nothing very soon is only increasing.

I have little doubt that the central cities and older suburban regions of most major cities do want more transit, be it Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal. In Toronto, this has always been the case. Articles about the need for transit, plans, problems, and other issues involved have been published in the paper on a regular basis for at least the past 10 years (probably even before then but this is the time span that I have spent observing this trend and reading the articles).

The problem lies in all the other suburbs, cities, and munipalities surrounding Toronto (Markham, Oakville, Hamilton, Oshawa, etc) and the other cities across Ontario (London, Windsor, etc), excluding Ottawa however. Toronto can vote in as many pro-transit provincial and federal government representatives as it wants, but if the rest of Ontario and Canada vote against this trend and hold the majority of power of this decision, then it really doesnt matter who Toronto elects in the end.

Really there are two most likely scenarios for increased support for transit. Either the current system breakdowns, perhaps because of rising fuel costs, congestion, or some other event, and through this breakdown causes people to demand solutions to the problem, which could very well lead to greater increases in funding for transit. Or, pro-transit advocates, related businesses and industry, political groups, and cities such as Toronto with a strong interest in public transit develop a better system of education and propoghanda to send their message to the rest of the people in the province who dont see the daily rant about transit in The Star.

Until Markham, Vaughan, Mississauga, et al vote with Toronto, instead of against Toronto and residents in those parts of the GTA want public transit as much as the citizens in Toronto do, there is unlikely to be a government that is going to really do that much about the problem.

Unfortunately, the problem with, and lack of, public transit has become such a problem that it is not just going to be solved by small or medium sized measures. It is going to take a rather dramatic amount of capital, construction, and rethinking of how people move in modern Canadian cities. This also adds to the difficulty that is faced by those wanting to push forward transit policy.
 
Since the rest of Canada outside the central cities doesn't understand the importance of transit to the same degree shouldn't the argument be changed. The city budget is all one budget yet money is being requested for transit. If the transit budget was set in stone, perhaps through some financial arrangement that could not be backed out of without significant penalty, then the money being requested would be for police which a conservative government and suburban and rural voters can understand and get behind.
 
In the mean time are there things that we could do to streamline the processes involved to make subway construction more realistic? I recall that our EA process was one thing identified as a major barrier. Also, it seems that subway projects only occur in an ad hoc manner partly because the TTC is incapable of articulating a prioritized subway strategy. Infact currently the TTC seems to be actively pursuing a no subway transit strategy making even the proposed Vaughn extension look shaky.
 
holy... and when I was there this summer, there were NO cars on most of the highways.

I also made that observation when I was in China's Guangdong province last year. However there are some interurban highways that get lots of traffic, such as the Guangshen Expressway, a 99-km expressway that runs between Guangzhou and Shenzhen/Hong Kong. It's the main corridor of the Pearl River Delta, one of the world's booming industrial regions.
 
I don't think the problem of no subways is about the EA process; It's about lack of funding.
 
Degnaw,

I wasn't indicating what I saw as "the" problem, there is no one specific problem. Since stable mass rail funding is not in the cards the question is what CAN be done to streamline the process now so that when the political stars align we can strike immediately and have shovels in the ground while the iron is hot say within one year.
 
Globe and Mail

Link to article


China to spend billions on road, rail networks

Associated Press

BEIJING — China plans to pour hundreds of billions of dollars into overhauling the country's dated rail networks and extending expressways over the next three decades to deal with a surge in car ownership, state news media said Thursday.

The government will put the equivalent of $215-billion into improving and extending rail networks by 2010 and about $285-billion into expanding expressways over the next 30 years, Xinhua News Agency and China Daily newspaper said in two separate reports.

Li Guoyong, transportation director of the National Development and Reform Commission, was quoted by China Daily saying the rail plan would be the biggest in China's history and increase the country's rail network by 20 per cent.

The money will be spent on new trains, new lines and civil engineering, it said. The current rail system is outdated, overloaded and can't deal with the growing passenger and cargo demand, it said.

The roadways plan devised by the Ministry of Communications will more than double the existing expressway network, bringing it to 85,000 kilometres within 30 years, Xinhua said. The report said the roads are needed to accommodate the growing number of cars and support economic growth.

China, once known as the kingdom of bicycles, has been transformed over the last two decades into a car culture, with vehicle ownership up by 30 per cent between 1985 and 2004. The car revolution has brought convenience to many but also huge environmental headaches and traffic snarls.

The report did not give a figure for the current length of expressways but said it is expected to hit 42,000 kilometres by the end of next year.

Most of the roadways budget — $157-billion — has been earmarked for projects in the impoverished western region, it said. The government has been spending massive amounts of money on infrastructure projects in Tibet, Xinjiang, Qinghai and other remote regions of the west that have been left behind in China's economic boom.
 
No OMB, no EAs - just say "Build - or be shot!" Anything built in Canada or Europe can't be directly compared to China.

Walk around Madrid as I have and see everything the monarchies and Franco built - but they didn't have internet petitions, protest marches or the European Commission to deal with. That said they have managed to build quite a metro system in recent times using 24 hour tunnelling etc.
 
"The government has been spending massive amounts of money on infrastructure projects in Tibet..."

Isn't the uncritical reference to Tibet in this article odd?
 
Not when you recall Bombardier built the trains to Tibet.
 
the question is what CAN be done to streamline the process now so that when the political stars align we can strike immediately and have shovels in the ground while the iron is hot say within one year.

Shovels could be in the ground within 6 months on nearly 12km of subway extensions within Toronto – Spadina and Sheppard.

Within 18 months you could have Spadina, Sheppard, and Danforth extensions underway, about $6B worth of construction. All three could be complete within 5 years if suitable funds were delivered on an annual basis (4 TBMs, individual contracts for each station, beef up TTC engineering department).

It is strictly a funding issue.

There are far more EA's finished for transit work than we have funds or political will to build.
 

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