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Asian Malls (Landmark, Pacific, Splendid China, etc.)

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Has anyone heard about "The Landmark"? It's a retail condominium project (another clone of Pacific Mall) that will contain over 500 stores (phase 1 only!) at the SW corner of Steeles & Markham. 39 acre site, over 2000 parking spaces, crazy.

www.thelandmarkcanada.com/
 
It seems pretty small, though. I think the retail portion will be less like Pacific Mall and more like Metrocentre or that plaza at Sheppard and Brimley (NE).
 
"It seems pretty small, though. I think the retail portion will be less like Pacific Mall and more like Metrocentre or that plaza at Sheppard and Brimley (NE). "

Since when is 500 stores small? Phase 1 is over 300,000 sq.ft. of retail. Pacific Mall has 400 stores. Oriental Centre has maybe 100 parking spots but the Landmark will have more than 2000 - STC has 5500 for comparison.
 
300k square feet for 500 stores is pretty small stores. That's more than double STC's store count in a quarter the space.
 
Of course they're small stores. They're just like at Pacific Mall.
 
Retail: Asian Malls (Landmark, Pacific, Splendid China, etc.)

Condominium shopping centres slated for north Scarborough
Steeles Avenue from Kennedy to Markham seen as tourist zone

Article from www.insidetoronto.com
MIKE ADLER
Dec. 19, 2006

The condominium concept brought many people to Scarborough to live. Now it's going to revolutionize shopping here.

Built in the mid-1990s on the north side of Steeles Avenue in Markham, Pacific Mall, which still bills itself as the "largest indoor Asian mall in North America" brought in a novel idea: its 400 stores are individually owned.

But two new condominium malls, each hoping become a regional shopping destination bigger than Pacific Mall, are planned for the Scarborough side of Steeles.

Backers say their hundreds of stores, some as small as a closet-sized 90 square feet, offer condo-mall shoppers a level of comparison shopping the regular retail malls lack. Shops of a few hundred square feet are also a business opportunity, they add, for immigrant entrepreneurs without the funds to lease a larger store or those who have been shunned by retail malls as an unknown quantity.

"The pattern of shopping has changed totally," said Lawrence Wong, CFO and a partner in The Landmark, a condo mall on Steeles near Middlefield Road whose 700-store Phase 1 is approved and may be open by winter 2008.

Condo store owners "don't need a big profit margin, so the shoppers can enjoy a unique product at a lower price," Wong said in an interview last week.

Meanwhile, a former Canadian Tire just east of Kennedy Road and nearly across from Pacific Mall, has been converted to a 281-store condo mall, Splendid China, whose grand opening is scheduled for Feb. 17, Chinese New Year's Eve.

And though the city has concerns about its effect on local traffic - and is being forced to fight the mall developer at the Ontario Municipal Board - Splendid China plans a second phase of 700 stores on what is now its parking lot. That larger phase is already 95 per cent sold, said Paul Jone, owner of Visar Realty Inc. and broker for the project. The parking lot, he added, would be replaced by a four-storey garage.

Jone, who has worked six years on Splendid China, doesn't see the mall as competitor for Pacific Mall and its companion on the Markham side, Market Village.

"We will be complimentary and beneficial to each other," he said this week, predicting the busy stretch of Steeles from Kennedy to Markham Road will attract tourists and "keep the area booming."

The city, which has heard nearby Heathwood residents say Splendid China would invite shoppers to cut through their neighbourhood, has not finished a report city council needs to make a decision on Phase 2. It's been waiting for the developer to revise a traffic study, said Renrick Ashby, senior planner on the file.

"Lots of stuff needs to happen" before staff can recommend approval, he said.

Splendid China, however, has wasted no time in sending the stalled Phase 2 plan to the OMB, which could force a decision. A pre-hearing is set for February.

Jone, however, said Splendid China's plans for traffic control are "excellent" and include extending Redlea Avenue from Steeles to Passmore Avenue by January 2008 and opening Silver Star Boulevard to Passmore as well.

The Landmark, which like Splendid China will come with a food court and several restaurants, is also relying on Passmore to channel traffic. Its backers are also paying to extend State Crown Boulevard to Steeles as well as widen sections of Steeles and Markham Road, Wong said.

Now being prepared for construction on what was mainly vacant farmland on the edge of an industrial zone, The Landmark - "a shopper's paradise, an investor's precious gemstone" - had the support of local politicians before it received approvals this summer.

Then-Ward 41 Councillor Bas Balkissoon (Scarborough-Rouge River) said he heard about 18 months ago from The Landmark (Canada) Inc. president Charles Chan, not knowing Chan had been his neighbour for seven years. At a meeting over coffee, Chan asked Balkissoon, who is now Scarborough-Rouge River MPP, for advice "on how to get his mall built," Balkissoon recalled at a press conference this month.

He said he convinced Chan to have the condo mall auction a store to raise money for the Yee Hong Community Wellness Foundation and provide a second store free as an information booth for the Yee Hong Centres for Geriatric Care.

The mall "will finish off an area in Ward 41 that has sat vacant for years" and change the face of Scarborough, Balkissoon said.

Chin Lee, the current councillor who said he was also at the meeting with Chan, voiced his own approval. "The community itself benefits and we all come out winners," he said.

The Landmark will be "divided into colourful theme zones" for different items, which Wong said is an innovation from Asia that lets shoppers better compare products and price.

English will be mandatory on all mall signs, he added. "We want to make everyone come in, not just Chinese."

The Landmark, whose promotional video says its "vision is even more ambitious than the shopping paradise we have suggested" hasn't finished deciding what to build for a Phase 2, Wong said.

But he added the mall developer is part of a larger association called the Tapscott Landowners Group, which hopes to build on up to a million square feet of retail in the area, with The Landmark covering half a million.

The mall could also see satellite buildings housing large retailers that are popular with customers of all backgrounds, Wong suggested.

"Our dream is, Let the West meet the East."
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Is was just a few years ago this area was still farmland within the city borders. Traffic will be a mess once they finish building all those malls. The area around Pacific Mall is already a mess on weekends.
 
^ The surprisingly high residential density coupled with terrible public transit and an inadequate road network is what produces most of the traffic in the area; the malls will just make it worse, adding the cherry-like tail lights of rush hour gridlock on top.
 
From: www.insidetoronto.ca/to/s...carborough
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Fusion shopping sees East meet West on McNicoll Avenue
Ethnic diversity important in retail plan: developer

LISA QUEEN
Jan. 16, 2007

Over the years, Canadian shoppers have spent their cash at strip plazas, shopping malls with national chains and, this decade's latest trend, big box stores.
But customers of Asian backgrounds often look for a different shopping experience. It's not surprising, then, that retail developers are building alternative shopping centres in Scarborough, with its large Asian population.

The latest development, announced at a press conference last Friday, is Maxum on the northwest corner of Midland and McNicoll avenues.

The location is "the axis of one of the most densely populated Asian communities in Canada," the promotional material says. About 65,000 residents live within a two-kilometre radius and a good number of them are Asian, although developers don't pinpoint a specific number.

The centre will be anchored by a RONA home improvement store. It will also feature two strip plazas with about 50 restaurants and mom and pop stores, plus a three-storey professional building.

Promoters bill the centre as "fusion shopping."

Not only will the plaza combine retail outlets with offices for doctors, lawyers and accountants but it will feature both Asian and non-Asian retail outlets.

"Fusion shopping means East meets West," said Herrian Lee, an agent with Tradeworld Realty Inc., which is marketing the property.

"It's a mixed ethnic (shopping centre). Different cultures. We have mom and pop shops but we'll have chain restaurants. There will be a karaoke restaurant, Japanese, Greek, Italian restaurants."

Maxum is expected to be fully occupied by winter 2008.

Project manager Matthew Nutson, with developer Kreadar Enterprises Limited, said smart developers cater to the needs of their clients. And that means retail developers have to offer new approaches in Scarborough.

While Asian shoppers enjoy the big box experience for home improvement products, he said they often prefer smaller shops reminiscent of their homelands for other items.

While Canada has the land to build sprawling shopping centres, Asian countries have learned to accommodate retail outlets on much smaller tracts of land, Nutson pointed out.

"The ethnic community (wants) fusion retailing, which is blending retailers from different cultures," he said, adding a plaza his company developed at the southeast corner of Steeles and Markham Road appeals to residents of Indian and South Asian heritage.

"In the GTA, if you can't as a developer, if you don't diversify ethnically and include your community in the development, it's a very tough project to successfully complete."

Maxum comes on the heels of last month's announcement for two new condominium malls in Scarborough, each hoping to become significant regional shopping destinations.

In fact, they hope to outpace customer traffic at Pacific Mall, the decade-old shopping centre on the north side of Steeles at Kennedy Road. As the largest indoor Asian mall in North America, Pacific Mall has long attracted Scarborough shoppers.

Proponents say the new condo malls - The Landmark on Steeles near Middlefield Road and Splendid China in a converted Canadian Tire store on Steeles just east of Kennedy Road nearly across from Pacific Mall - will offer both customers and retailers a new shopping experience on the Scarborough side of Steeles.

With stores as tiny as a closet to a couple of hundred square feet, shoppers can enjoy lower prices while small entrepreneurs don't have to sink as much start-up money into their investment.

The condo malls are catering to Scarborough's prime market, according to Lawrence Wong, chief financial officer and a partner in The Landmark.

"The pattern of shopping has changed totally," he told The Mirror last month.

Condo store owners "don't need a big profit margin, so the shoppers can enjoy a unique product at a lower price."
 
From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...eason=2&denial_reasons=none&force_login=false
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Duelling malls
The massive Pacific Mall has a new competitor across the street. Welcome to Splendid China Tower, which ramps up the Asian influence at Steeles and Kennedy in Markham, writes ANDREA LAU

ANDREA LAU
Special to The Globe and Mail
Painted gods and heroes stare from behind the glass of the curio shop, their porcelain gazes alternately imposing and beneficent. Their faces are straight out of legend: There's the fearsome red-faced Guan Yu, an ancient warrior deified by folklore and famed for his bladed spear, standing on the same shelf as Guan Yin, the goddess of mercy and compassion worshipped by Buddhists and Taoists alike. The god of longevity, with a twinkle in his eye and a peach in his hand, boasts a long white beard, individual wisps frozen, yet still fluffy.

The detail is amazing, as is the $880 price tag on the back of his head -- auspicious, though, as the Chinese equate the number eight with good fortune. The crowd around the cash register, however, is more interested in something being advertised for a dollar. What are they all looking at? Tiger's-eye prayer beads? Jade pendants? No . . . plastic cellphone charms.

Elsewhere in the mall, business is slow on this bitingly cold weekend. Many vacant and papered-over storefronts await customers with written signs chirping, "Exciting new retail!!! Opening soon!!"

Competition between malls speaks to the growing confidence of the area's many prosperous Chinese-Canadian suburbanites. Splendid China Tower, the latest Asian condo mall to spring up at Steeles and Kennedy, may aim to become the biggest one in North America, but as yet it is still depending on overflow from Pacific Mall across the street. Over there, intergenerational families and courting couples flock to buy ginseng and abalone and pirated DVDs, to drink bubble tea and eat pastries of red bean and lotus paste, to haunt the arcade and sing karaoke.

"We don't want to compare," says Paul Jone, the owner of Visar Realty Inc. Brokerage, which is marketing Splendid China. He explains that the neighbouring malls will work together in bringing increased prosperity to this span of the Markham border. "We will be complementary to each other, not competition. But Splendid China is different -- it has a more cultural perception in terms of the design and the theme."

Amy Chan, who runs Easy Win, the convenience store right at the entrance to the mall, points out that the proximity to a GO train station makes the shopping easily accessible to those who don't live in the area. She observes that 90 per cent of the clientele are Chinese, speculating that two-thirds are immigrants from Hong Kong and mainland China.

Ms. Chan has also noticed that visitors gravitate toward the stage in the centre of the mall, with the giant television screens overhanging it.

Sudden electronic music blares from the stage. Lissome models shuffle across the platform, rehearsing for a fashion show, and strobe lights swivel overhead. One girl steps off the stage and meets her boyfriend, who proffers a bottle of green tea.

Their hair -- hers streaked straw blond, his manipulated by product into something deserving of an anime character -- mark them as one of the self-identified "fob" couples that populate high schools of the Toronto suburban jungle. They are Asian teenagers, most of them immigrants, who have appropriated the derogatory term, absorbed the "fresh off the boat" insult and turned it into a subculture, melding Cantonese with English and indulging in Japanese-imported brands of decorative toys.

Clearly, Mr. Jone is not alone in succeeding in his goal to "beautify and modernize," as he puts it, the landscape of Chinese-Canadian culture.

Jessica Wong, 21, who frequents the mall, counts a number of fobs among her close friends from the clique-driven days of high school. She self-identifies as a fob only when she listens to Cantopop music, observing that fobs rarely socialize outside of their circles. "They don't necessarily want to fit into Canadian culture," she says. "Fob culture arises 'cause there's no pressure to fit in like Asians that live in the States."

Splendid China promises to be a future locus of much fob culture. The retail condominium built from the shell of a Canadian Tire store, while not quite a tower yet, has lofty ambitions. On the ground floor, restaurant Hi Shanghai takes a page from the stylebook of Spring Rolls, with glass columns in the foyer housing elegant sprigs of flowers; meanwhile, empty fast-food stalls upstairs eerily resemble half-constructed model kitchens.

Eventually, if all goes to plan, a Jade and Jewellery Market and auction platform will add colour to these clean, minimal halls. A third floor will be home to the Festival Palace (a 35,000-square-foot banquet hall) and multiple ballrooms. An indoor garage with more than 2,000 parking spaces will welcome future patrons and connect to the main mall via a glass overpass. There will be a rooftop garden, a waterfall and a hotel.

"This mall has a lot of potential," says Dan Ngo, who owns Update TV & Stereo. His business is based in Chinatown, but he chose to open a branch in Splendid China, betting that "in the future it'll be prosperous."

Not to be outdone, Pacific Mall and its sister complex Market Village announced last June their plans to expand their combined retail space to one million square feet, including a luxury hotel. The Asian theme will bring the tourists, Mr. Jone says, and "the non-Chinese shopper would be attracted by the culture."

The goal of these cultural centres of consumerism is to bring diversity and more shopping choices to the local community in Markham. True, there is no shortage of fashion and beauty retail stores, fast-food outlets, and cellphone carriers, but the herbalists selling seeds and spores, the feng shui consultant and the traditional grand-opening potted plants wreathed in red ribbon are reminders that Splendid China is not the Eaton Centre.
 
A new Asian mall for T.O.


The Landmark, a new Asian-themed mall in Scarborough has its groundbreaking ceremony on Monday. The developers hope it becomes a, uh, landmark, for Toronto shoppers.
Most Torontonian already know the Pacific Mall, but if you head east straight down Steeles Avenue until you hit Markham Road, you’ll see where, roughly 16 months from now, North America’s “largest condo shopping mall†will be built. No, it’s not a condo on top of a mall (as one clueless reporter thought) but unlike traditional malls, business owners don’t lease space but buy it.
It’s a popular model in Asia, said Lawrence Wong, chief financial officer for the $200-million project.
“We had a dream (to) bring the shopping malls of Asia to Canada,†he told me.
One motivation behind the project are the hurdles small businesses face in setting up shop in traditional GTA malls.
“If they go to Yorkdale or Fairview Mall and try to lease a space over there, they face difficulty,†he said. "Unless you have a franchise name behind you, “they don’t even bother to talk to you.â€
The Landmark will feature 1,000 units for sale, ranging in size from 200 to 500 square feet. Prices start at about $110,000, and if you want a bigger store you can buy four or five units and collapse the walls. Mr. Wong said he expects about 500-600 stores in the mall.
To make it more shopper-friendly, the mall will be divided into zones, or themes, similar to a department store. All tech stores will be in one area, for instance, while clothing stores will be in another. He wants it to be more people-friendly than the Pacific Mall.
“We would like to run it...in a more organized way,†he said. “If you walk into Pacific Mall today, you may get lost.â€
The Landmark will be bigger than the Pacific Mall – 435,000 square feet vs 285,000 for the Pacific.
The mall is to be built on land that was formerly a cabbage patch field and apple orchard. It’s the largest undeveloped tract of land in Toronto, said spokesperson Christina Senjug, in what’s called the Tapscott Employment District. It’s a 42-acre development, and will bring in thousands of jobs to the area, she said. Right now, it’s the home of two farm houses — the Underwood House and the William Stonehouse House — that are designated heritage buildings. The two houses will actually be moved inside the mall and put on display.
“It’ll be quite interesting in its architectural design ad concept, fusing the Asian concepts with western design,†said Ms. Senjug.
 
Landmark retail site on Steeles Avenue remains undeveloped

Splendid China 2 and The Sitara are stalled too

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/b...il-site-on-steeles-avenue-remains-undeveloped

I'll make a prediction: both the Pacific Mall and Market Village expansions will go ahead and these Scarborough proposals will end up being residential condos with a small amount of retail, if they are developed at all. Also, I don't see a South Asian mega-mall getting built in the area any time soon. A lot of retail condos were built nearby in the South Asian part of Markham (Markham Road near 14th), and there are probably still at least a couple of dozen empty units. Years of supply seem to have been built at once, and a lot of investors are losing their shirts.
 
Landmark retail site on Steeles Avenue remains undeveloped

Splendid China 2 and The Sitara are stalled too

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/b...il-site-on-steeles-avenue-remains-undeveloped

I'll make a prediction: both the Pacific Mall and Market Village expansions will go ahead and these Scarborough proposals will end up being residential condos with a small amount of retail, if they are developed at all. Also, I don't see a South Asian mega-mall getting built in the area any time soon. A lot of retail condos were built nearby in the South Asian part of Markham (Markham Road near 14th), and there are probably still at least a couple of dozen empty units. Years of supply seem to have been built at once, and a lot of investors are losing their shirts.


Any idea why the ones in Markham seem to go ahead no problem ?
 
I think the owners have better financing -- heck, Market Village is a Remington project after all -- plus the name recognition of the two existing malls doesn't hurt.
 
I think the owners have better financing -- heck, Market Village is a Remington project after all -- plus the name recognition of the two existing malls doesn't hurt.

Yea I can see that, makes sense. I'd think spendid has a better chance then landmark.

There are so many medium sized Asian malls proposed in Markham it's hard to picture all the demand as you mentioned.

Heck even NYCC is getting a little one with the centrium project.
 

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