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An Interesting Perspective on Mideast Peace

A one-state solution is completely unrealistic and would be completely unacceptable to Israelis. It would mean the end of the Jewish nature of Israel. As challenging as the two-state solution is, it was the original plan, and is still the most doable, provided the zealots on both sides stop hijacking the process.
 
The problem with a one state solution is that the system can't be very democratic...

The current system of occupation isn't very democratic either.

As Ian Bremmer stated in his book The J Curve, Israel has always had three goals:

1) to be a Jewish state
2) to be democratic
3) to have territorial control over biblical Israel (From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea).

Bremmer also states that Israel can't have all three. Occupation is undemocratic because it denies Palestinian self-determination. Absorbing Palestinians into one state from the river to the sea will make it un-Jewish. A two-state solution would deny Israel its territorial goals.

Israel will have to give up one of the three goals to salvage the other two. It all depends on what Israel values most: Jewishness, democracy or territorial gain?
 
damn British...

Their decisions they made over 60 years are still screwing us over.


Think about when the US ever goes down... :eek: It makes you wonder.
 
Yugoslavia was a one state solution that (IMO) worked well.

What ultimately screwed it up was a few ultra-nationalists on all sides (Tudjman, Izabegovic, Milosovic etc) and external interference (Germany, UK and USA).
Based on my personal experience, many common people still look back at the old days of peace and relative prosperity under a United Yugoslavia.

Perhaps Isreal/Palestine could learn from Yugoslavias mistakes and make it work.
 
Yugoslavia was a one state solution that (IMO) worked well.

What ultimately screwed it up was a few ultra-nationalists on all sides (Tudjman, Izabegovic, Milosovic etc) and external interference (Germany, UK and USA).
Based on my personal experience, many common people still look back at the old days of peace and relative prosperity under a United Yugoslavia.

Perhaps Isreal/Palestine could learn from Yugoslavias mistakes and make it work.

Yugoslavia only worked while there was a "strongman" at the helm (work is a relative term - since they did not have a great economy).... just like Iraq worked with a strongman at the helm (a.k.a. Hussien). Strongman dies (and not replaced) and a total collapse occurs.
 
any relation to the original post?



Dismay as Gadhafi chosen to lead African Union
By ANITA POWELL, Associated Press Writer Anita Powell, Associated Press Writer Mon Feb 2, 6:05 pm ET

ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia – Moammar Gadhafi of Libya was elected Monday as leader of the African Union, a position long sought by the eccentric dictator who wants to push his oil-rich nation into the international mainstream after years of isolation.

Gadhafi, once ostracized by the West for sponsoring terrorism, has been trying to increase both Libya's global stature and its regional influence — mediating African conflicts, sponsoring efforts to spread Islam on the continent and pushing for the creation of a single African government.

Still, some African leaders offered tepid praise for the choice of the strongman who grabbed power in a 1969 coup. Rights groups called him a poor model for Africa at a time when democratic gains are being reversed in countries such as Mauritania and Guinea.

He attended the session dressed in a gold-embroidered green robe and flanked by seven extravagantly dressed men who said they are the "traditional kings of Africa." Gadhafi told about 20 of his fellow heads of state that that he would work to unite the continent into "the United States of Africa."

Gadhafi arrived at the summit Sunday with the seven men, one carrying a 4-foot gold staff, and caused a stir when security officials did not admit them because each delegation gets only four floor passes. All seven "kings" were seated behind Gadhafi when he accepted the chairmanship.

"I think the coming time will be a time of serious work and a time of action and not words," he said.

The chairmanship of the African Union is a rotating position held by heads of state for one year and gives the holder some influence over the continent's politics but carries no real power

Diplomats who attended the closed-door meetings in which Gadhafi was chosen said several countries vigorously opposed him, seeking alternatives from Lesotho and Sierra Leone. However, the AU's chairmanship rotates among Africa's regions, and a North African had not been chaired the continental body since 2000, when Algeria held the chairmanship.

Meetings to select the chairman are held in private. The leader is usually nominated and then chosen by consensus. AU officials would not give details of the proceedings, including which countries objected.

Even in public the reception to his appointment — and the acceptance ceremony in which he invited two of the traditional kings to speak — was measured.

"I think his time has come," Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf told The Associated Press. "He's worked for it. I think it's up to us to make sure it comes out best."

Still, Gadhafi appeared to cast his selection as a victory.

"Silence means approval," he said during his acceptance speech. "If we have something and we are silent about it at the next summit it means we've accepted it."

Since he seized power Gadhafi has ruled the oil-rich state with an iron hand and the often quixotic ideology laid out in his famous "Green Book," which outlines Gadhafi's anti-democratic and economic policies.

In 2007, his regime released five Bulgarian nurses and a naturalized Palestinian doctor after eight years in prison for allegedly infecting Libyan children with HIV. The medics said they had been tortured in prison to exact a confession, a charge Gadhafi's son admitted to in a 2005 television interview when he said they had been tortured with electrodes and threats to their families. They were released following a deal struck by the European Union that involved payment of millions of dollars in aid to Libya.

"The Libyan government continues to imprison people for criticizing Gadhafi," said Reed Brody, a Brussels-based lawyer with Human Rights Watch who watched Gadhafi take the helm of the AU. "Hundreds more have been 'disappeared.' Libya has no independent NGOs and the government tightly controls all forms of public expression."

The large North African country is perhaps best known for the 1988 downing of a Pan-Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland. All 259 people on board the flight from Heathrow to New York were killed when a bomb exploded. Another 11 people died on the ground.

The bombing prompted United Nations-imposed sanctions and breaking of diplomatic ties with Britain and the United States.

Libya has paid several billion dollars to the families of Lockerbie victims, and has accepted "general responsibility" for the attack. Sanctions have since been lifted and diplomatic ties re-established.

Gadhafi renounced terrorism in 2003.

Libya has also entered into deals with major oil companies for exploitation of its reserves and re-established diplomatic ties with the U.S.

In Washington, the State Department declined to comment specifically on Gadhafi's election but said the United States would remain engaged with the African Union.

"We are going to continue to work with the AU," spokesman Robert Wood told reporters. "It's a critical institution in terms of our dealing with the continent."

Gadhafi has also been involved in mediating the conflict in Darfur with little success. He has mediated between Chad and Sudan — both have accused each other of supporting the other's rebel groups. The Libyan leader's mediation has resulted in deals between Chad and Sudan, which have later been violated.

Libya has never held the chairmanship in the 46-year-history of the African Union and its predecessor, the Organization of African Unity. This contributed to his being denied the chairmanship of the Organization of African Unity in 1982.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090202/ap_on_re_af/af_au_gadhafi
 
... sponsoring efforts to spread Islam on the continent and pushing for the creation of a single African government.

... tepid praise for the choice of the strongman who grabbed power in a 1969 coup


... dressed in a gold-embroidered green robe and flanked by seven extravagantly dressed men who said they are the "traditional kings of Africa."



Yeah, sounds all so promising.
 
I think Africa would be better off as a few large countries if they could run themselves better (i.e. South Africa vs. Zimbabwe) -- but it would be better if the Islamic majority countries were one country and the others another. They would of course have to move at a pace that is acceptable to each state.
 

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