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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

I really want to know what the Alto-Metrolinx and Alto-Exo relationships are like. Both seem crucial to delivering HSR. And there will have to be co production on whatever corridor is developed.
Given how suddenly the plan for the new GO yard on Metrolinx's old CP track at the Bloor (Prince Edward) Viaduct suddenly got cancelled, after years of telling everyone that such a relatively large facility in an environmentally sensitive, was the only choice ...

... I'd guess it's not terrible with Metrolinx. As they certainly reacted quickly to the feds boot up their ...
 
Given how suddenly the plan for the new GO yard on Metrolinx's old CP track at the Bloor (Prince Edward) Viaduct suddenly got cancelled, after years of telling everyone that such a relatively large facility in an environmentally sensitive, was the only choice ...

... I'd guess it's not terrible with Metrolinx. As they certainly reacted quickly to the feds boot up their ...
I can’t comment on behalf of either party, but the working assumption at Metrolinx seems to be that ALTO would share their tracks and stop at Kennedy station…
 
I can’t comment on behalf of either party, but the working assumption at Metrolinx seems to be that ALTO would share their tracks and stop at Kennedy station…
I thought that idea went away years ago, when VIA killed the high-frequency-rail plan, and went back to high-speed (again). The published maps went back to using the CP alignment up the valley. Is there even room for 4 tracks up that corridor?

Perhaps the movement of the new yard from the old CP line was more serendipitous then.
 
Don Branch I thought too. If a second Toronto station were to be added prior to Peterborough, it's likely be where it crossed an expanded Line 4 (Brimley maybe?)
See think maybe Mccowan Rd with a small indoor path bridgeto the rail line. You have line 2 and line 4 terminate there plus have room for a park and ride. Usually cities have a station on the outskirts for suburban catchment.
 
Reece from RM Transit (I know a bit controversial but he gets his point across very succinctly) recently did a substack article on the REM and Alto and the Mont Royal tunnel, which I think is worth a read:


The need for a tunnel under Mt. Royal on Alto is tied to an element of Alto that I wish got more scrutiny — the decision to serve Quebec City as part of the initial project. I think I’ve registered my thoughts on this before, but it’s just absolutely obvious that Quebec City is not an equal value connection to even Ottawa, much less Toronto.

I think that’s a valid point, especially if ALTO and the new government is so bent on cutting project timelines controlling the overall budget, they’ll eventually have to make some tough choices.

And there are so many ways to go about this: upgrading and electrifying the current Via Rail line from Montreal to Quebec into a version of the original HFR (higher speed and higher frequency), while having the core Montreal-Ottawa-TO line as true HSR. I regularly take the Montreal - Quebec City Via Rail service - honestly it’s been quite good with the updated Siemens rolling stock, with nearly sold out trains on many weekdays, and it would most definitely increase in ridership if there’s more frequency and a slightly shorter trip time (like say 2-2.5 hrs).

And of course, there’s always the option to dig a second tunnel thru Mont Royal - not entirely unfeasible - if Quebec really pushes for the HSR option (esp given the fact the Quebec government is no stranger to spending massive amounts on other economically dubious tunneling projects like the Third Link in QC now projected to cost $7 - $9 billion for an 8 km highway tunnel…).

Another option is that of course the city canstill be on a modern electrified railway and I’d support that, but it is no more important a connection than say Kitchener-Waterloo, or Hamilton (smaller cities, but with much easier connection potential), and the service would be similar to what “HFR” previously proposed — it might even make use of the new Siemens trains with new electric locomotives. All of these smaller cities should be connected, but they can be a later phase of work with high-speed trains passing onto tracks, which, while still capable of beating highway speeds, are notdesigned for 200+ kph operations.
 
Reece from RM Transit (I know a bit controversial but he gets his point across very succinctly) recently did a substack article on the REM and Alto and the Mont Royal tunnel, which I think is worth a read:




I think that’s a valid point, especially if ALTO and the new government is so bent on cutting project timelines controlling the overall budget, they’ll eventually have to make some tough choices.

And there are so many ways to go about this: upgrading and electrifying the current Via Rail line from Montreal to Quebec into a version of the original HFR (higher speed and higher frequency), while having the core Montreal-Ottawa-TO line as true HSR. I regularly take the Montreal - Quebec City Via Rail service - honestly it’s been quite good with the updated Siemens rolling stock, with nearly sold out trains on many weekdays, and it would most definitely increase in ridership if there’s more frequency and a slightly shorter trip time (like say 2-2.5 hrs).

And of course, there’s always the option to dig a second tunnel thru Mont Royal - not entirely unfeasible - if Quebec really pushes for the HSR option (esp given the fact the Quebec government is no stranger to spending massive amounts on other economically dubious tunneling projects like the Third Link in QC now projected to cost $7 - $9 billion for an 8 km highway tunnel…).
In Montreal again for,business, but hoping to ride the REM again and catch up on the changes, As a further request, could someone forward the latest report on costing of the Third Link to Doug Ford…..

And if the QC trip was two hours from Montreal, and ran multiple times per day, that train would be full.forget Alto, just build a regional HSR. Perhaps Ontario should do the same - Toronto to London, perhaps Windsor.
 
And if the QC trip was two hours from Montreal, and ran multiple times per day, that train would be full.forget Alto, just build a regional HSR. Perhaps Ontario should do the same - Toronto to London, perhaps Windsor.
It's definitely crossed my mind a lot. An Ontario centric HSR, "Ottawa - Peterborough - Toronto (Union station) - Mississauga (Pearson Airport) - Kitchener - London - Windsor". It could be a single line.
 
If it matters, the latest Carney Cabinet shuffle moves the Transport portfolio to House Leader Steven MacKinnon.

- Paul

MacKinnon picked up that portfolio in Mid September after the Freeland resignation. That's not new in this shuffle.
 
It's definitely crossed my mind a lot. An Ontario centric HSR, "Ottawa - Peterborough - Toronto (Union station) - Mississauga (Pearson Airport) - Kitchener - London - Windsor". It could be a single line.
Perhaps more of an X . One diagonal from Niagara or Branford/Hamilton through TO then onwards to Ottawa. The other from London, perhaps Windsor, through TO and reaching out past the GO lines to Kingston?
 

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