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This new to the AIC application for a 63s residential tower is now public facing.

The site as is:

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The App:


From the above:

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Site Plan:

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Ground Floor Plan:

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Typical Tower Floor Layout:

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Elevator Ration: (though 4 elevators show at-grade, most of the building is served by 3 elevators) So 3 elevators to 357 units, is 1 elevator per 119 units.

Thoughts:

A tower floor plate that is sub 500m2 is generally not considered viable from a sales/rental point of view, and to the extent it were otherwise, the site would be positioned as luxury, the proposed suite sizes are more in line with investor boxes.

This does not math out for me, so I'm inclined to think this is a vapour ware app. But I will let @ProjectEnd chime in on that.

Set that to one site, it looks ok, its go workable precedents, but may be challenged to separation distances here; this would severely limit the City's site just to the east in terms of development potential. Also a potential issue is shadows on St. James Park, though the site is far enough west and being pencil-thin, I expect it would be a minimal issue.

Worth noting here, the applicant was encouraged by Planning to see out CREM (The City's real estate arm) to discuss combining this with the City's site, which would potentially make something work here much more easily. CREM apparently dismissed the applicant with a 'no interest at this time'

In a word, 'dumb'. At least take the meeting, layout out your needs to the applicant to consider a sale or JV, then let them work out whether there's a deal to be made.

@Paclo
 
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Worth noting here, the applicant was encouraged by Planning to see out CREM (The City's real estate arm) to discuss combining this with the City's site, which would potentially make something work here much more easily. CREM apparently dismissed the applicant with a 'no interest at this time'
Whatever happened to Na-Me-Res operating this building as an Indigenous shelter?

 
Whatever happened to Na-Me-Res operating this building as an Indigenous shelter?


This has gone ahead, not sure if its operating yet. As per DSC below, the project is moving forward, but is not yet under construction.

But that use doesn't preclude longer term redevelopment. Particularly one where the leverage of the City's site could be to obtain rental and some deeply affordable units that allow people to be moved out of shelters and into apartments.
 
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This has gone ahead, not sure if its operating yet.

But that use doesn't preclude longer term redevelopment. Particularly one where the leverage of the City's site could be to obtain rental and some deeply affordable units that allow people to be moved out of shelters and into apartments.
The renos were out to tender a month or more ago, not yet awarded AFIK.

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Other permits (plumbing etc) still Under Review.
 
Whatever happened to Na-Me-Res operating this building as an Indigenous shelter?

That's the adjacent corner building to the east (this assembly is 59-65, that's 67 Adelaide).
 
With only 1 level of underground parking and a small footprint, this thing could get built very quickly, I hope things work out
 
Clearly vapourware, but still: it would be nice if BDPQ designed a decent façade here. What is this? Overscaled windows, overscaled masonry, weird protrusions. There’s no continuity in materials, alignment, scale or detail with the courthouse next door, which is among the best and most important 19c buildings remaining in Toronto.

GBCA’s argument here is weak sauce.

The idea that this could be a serious proposal, or would be received as such by the city, reflects so poorly on our design culture. Please try harder, everyone.


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Clearly vapourware, but still: it would be nice if BDPQ designed a decent façade here. What is this? Overscaled windows, overscaled masonry, weird protrusions. There’s no continuity in materials, alignment, scale or detail with the courthouse next door, which is among the best and most important 19c buildings remaining in Toronto.

GBCA’s argument here is weak sauce.

The idea that this could be a serious proposal, or would be received as such by the city, reflects so poorly on our design culture. Please try harder, everyone.


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I disagree. What's the incentive to put time and effort into something that will never get beyond the screen or printed page? There is absolutely no difference whether it's stunning or a shoddy kit of parts, so why expect that anyone should put in any effort beyond the bare minimum required to get to the desired outcome? Andy Pollack doesn't care what this building looks like, so why should Quadrangle?

In fact, it puts front and centre something I've long advocated: at this stage, there should be no design at all. Zoning is about height and setbacks. That's it. The idea that things get 'designed' for a rezoning is a silly waste of everyone's time. In essence, rezoning should be nothing more than this:

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