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2018 Ontario PC Leadership Race

Who do you think will win the PC leadership race (not who do you support)?

  • Patrick Brown

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Christine Elliott

    Votes: 25 83.3%
  • Doug Ford

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tanya Granic Allen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Caroline Mulroney

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .

steveintoronto

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There goes any hope of a centrist alternative to the Liberals...
This time around, yes. Next time around? There won't be a Con Party like there is at this time. Time to splinter, and separate the Progressives from the Luddites.

No need to point at the US and Trumpocity. It exists here in a large amount too. The real test is going to be the Provincial Election. Will Trump win here too?
 

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There goes any hope of a centrist alternative to the Liberals...
Green Party, mate.

It would take a dose of mass group think to swing because of our brilliant electoral system, but a centrist alternative does in fact exist and it has nothing to do with Brown, Fedeli, Elliott, Mulroney, Ford, Granic Allen....oh, wait, this list is just getting progressively more extremist. I think you see my point.
 

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Time to splinter, and separate the Progressives from the Luddites.
What's David Orchard up to these days? Michael Chong for deputy.

I'd vote for them, probably.
 

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So many uncertainties moving forward. However, one thing is for sure: the Liberal MPP for Etobicoke North should start packing up the office supplies.
 

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This time around, yes. Next time around? There won't be a Con Party like there is at this time. Time to splinter, and separate the Progressives from the Luddites.

No need to point at the US and Trumpocity. It exists here in a large amount too. The real test is going to be the Provincial Election. Will Trump win here too?
I wonder how much support will drop and how much will be gained with Ford as PC leader.

Green Party, mate.

It would take a dose of mass group think to swing because of our brilliant electoral system, but a centrist alternative does in fact exist and it has nothing to do with Brown, Fedeli, Elliott, Mulroney, Ford, Granic Allen....oh, wait, this list is just getting progressively more extremist. I think you see my point.
If they ran a candidate in my riding, I would consider it.
 

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Yet somehow with three female candidates this ape won. But I see your point.
Well.... maybe that's the point.

Don't you wonder how many conservative men were thinking (maybe smart enough to not say aloud, but thinking...):

Why do we have to vote for a woman? They are trying to force a woman on us because of the Patrick Brown scandal and #MeToo -- to show that we're "progressive". These things should be decided on merit, not quotas!! I would be happy to vote for a woman, just not any of the ones that are running!! Some "other woman" but not any of these!

Oh, yes... the "merit" system that says anyone with a dick is preferable to a thrice-better-qualified woman. :rolleyes: And that "some other woman" that they would be sooooo quick to vote for... if only she existed. :rolleyes:

If Rod Phillips or some other male alternative to Doug Ford had run, what might have happened?
 

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Well.... maybe that's the point.

Don't you wonder how many conservative men were thinking (maybe smart enough to not say aloud, but thinking...):

Why do we have to vote for a woman? They are trying to force a woman on us because of the Patrick Brown scandal and #MeToo -- to show that we're "progressive". These things should be decided on merit, not quotas!! I would be happy to vote for a woman, just not any of the ones that are running!! Some "other woman" but not any of these!

Oh, yes... the "merit" system that says anyone with a dick is preferable to a thrice-better-qualified woman. :rolleyes: And that "some other woman" that they would be sooooo quick to vote for... if only she existed. :rolleyes:

If Rod Phillips or some other male alternative to Doug Ford had run, what might have happened?
Don't make this a gender issue. Considering something like 52% of those qualified to vote are women, you're scratching up the wrong tree. If there's any trend showing from this, it's that SoCons, male and female, prefer apes as leaders.

How's that for equality?
 

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So Elliot won more votes and more ridings but somehow Ford wins, another joke of a system. If it had been been the other way around, we wouldn't have heard the end of it.
I think they tried too hard to make a system that was 'fair'. The ridings were all weighted.
 

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So Elliot won more votes and more ridings but somehow Ford wins, another joke of a system. If it had been been the other way around, we wouldn't have heard the end of it.
Remarkable. It really was a miniature profile of the last presidential election, wasn't it?
 

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The "ask" keeps getting higher. But hey, they're united.
Yesterday, the Ontario PC Party came together.

Christine, Tanya and Caroline have all publically expressed their support for our new leader, Doug Ford.

This is what they had to say:



>> Join Christine, Tanya & Caroline in supporting our new leader <<
The Liberals are attempting to divide us.

This has been Kathleen Wynne's playbook all along.

But we're more united than ever.

We stand behind our new leader Doug Ford with a common goal: defeating the Wynne Liberals on June 7th.

If you are standing behind Doug Ford and the Ontario PC Party, chip in $25, $50or $100.

United, we will defeat Kathleen Wynne.
 

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Are the riding by riding results published anywhere?
All I found was a CBC website with an interactive map with results of round 3. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-pc-leadership-results-1.4571699

I think they tried too hard to make a system that was 'fair'. The ridings were all weighted.
It looks like each riding was worth 100 points, and the candidates percentage of the vote was their score in the riding. The exception was the ridings with fewer than 100 votes (i.e. some of the northern ones), then the actual number of votes was the score. I think phrasing it that "all ridings had the same weight" is more correct.

In future, I think ridings should be weighted.
  1. Ridings that are currently PC should be weighted the most. These ridings are your core supporters, likely key donors and volunteers. They are the base from which party support can extend.
  2. Ridings that could become PC should also be weighted more. In the ridings you must pick up, its important that the leader is palatable to the members in those ridings.
  3. The Ridings that you have no hope of winning should be weighted less. These ridings will not be won so it is not that important that the leader be popular to these supporters. Also, presumably, there are fewer party members in these ridings so weighting it lower is not out of place.
I can see 2 options:
  1. Ridings that are PC, weight as 125 points. Ridings that have been PC in the last 10 or 15 years are worth 100 points. Ridings that have not been "PC in last 10 or 15 years are worth 75 points. Of course, if riding boundaries change, it may lead to some confusion that must be thought through.
  2. Ridings with more members are worth more points. Come up with some type of interpolation, where heaviest voted riding is worth 150 points and lowest is worth 50 points - with some type of interpolation between.
I can understand not going with one person one vote, as a few ridings with local issues could dominate the process and have undue weight across the provinces.
 

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