TheTigerMaster
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John Tory refuses to answer questions on his stance on Pride:
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...ike_rob_ford_refuses_to_talk_to_reporter.html
I think cowardly is an appropriate word to describe this man.
John Tory refuses to answer questions on his stance on Pride:
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...ike_rob_ford_refuses_to_talk_to_reporter.html
I think cowardly is an appropriate word to describe this man.
What are you talking about? John Tory endorsed Rob Ford in the last election and wrote him a cheque for $1,000 - it's in the election financing records for the city.First he's racist because he supported Ford at some point, although now it's incidental after Chow showed him support as well and our darling Chow couldn't be racist
He clearly stated that he would pull funding from Pride, over an issue that has been made very clear by the experts isn't something that is any of the city's business. This is highly prejudicical. It's quite clear that those that are still trying to get Pride's funding withdrawn on this issue, are anti-gay. I'm really shocked and very disappointed that John Tory would join this anti-gay crusade. It's not acceptable, if it isn't prejudice, it's complete ignorance. And I neither want a prejudiced or ignorant person leading this city.but then you go on to label him taking an anti-gay position when the subject is a specific political group in the parade. Having nothing to do with being anti-gay in the slightest.
Where did I say he was racist? Where did I say he was homophobic? You are twisting my words.Nfitz, prove that John Tory is homophobic and racist.
Proof of what ... you don't even seem to understand what I said.I want objective, indisputable proof.
I don't see any need to be rude here.No one ever challenges your asinine claims hard enough.
What facts have I stated are wrong? Do you believe Rob Ford isn't a racist? Do you believe that John Tory didn't write him a $1,000 cheque in the last election?Things aren't facts because you say they are. Your opinions aren't universally held.
I'm really shocked and very disappointed that John Tory would join this anti-gay crusade
Where did I say he was racist? Where did I say he was homophobic? You are twisting my words.
I said he was a racist supporter. There's no question that Rob Ford is a racist. And John Tory supported and endorsed him. He supported a racist.
I also said his comments today were prejudiced. Did I say he was homophobic?
Proof of what ... you don't even seem to understand what I said.
I don't see any need to be rude here.
What facts have I stated are wrong? Do you believe Rob Ford isn't a racist? Do you believe that John Tory didn't write him a $1,000 cheque in the last election?
What other way is their to read it. Well there's one, I suppose - John Tory is extremely ignorant, and doesn't understand the issue. Either way, we don't need want someone so ignorant in power.I'm shocked that anyone would read the situation like that.
I don't think he fears/hates gays. But I don't think he sees them as equals. Why is he not concerned about other hate groups that march in city parades, such as Roman Catholic organizations and the Salvation Army?The racist comment was my mistake. However, when you refer to John Tory as a bigot (re the QAIA/Pride issue, etc.) aren't you insinuating that he is a homophobe?
Are you not paying attention? He just promised to pull Pride funding over a wedge-issue pushed by a group of anti-gay bigots. I suppose it's possible that he's not actually bigoted, and is simply a gullible and ignorant fool. Either way I'm not impressed.And if not, then I still want proof that he a bigot.
Perhaps not - but trying to hide the truth of John Tory's years of supporting bigots does seem rather odd to me. Why are people afraid to discuss this?TCalling your empty claims "asinine" isn't rude/
Where have I said this? Your twisting my words.Your rationale can be summed up like this:
All those that are pro life are misogynistic.
He probably wouldn't make a terrible mayor, but I expect he'd simply twist in whatever way Council preferred on a given day. He would not be an effective leader.
No. Based on Tory's track record I'd be very heistant to say that Tory "probably won't be a terrible mayor". Remember that this is is a guy with a a greater number of notable failures in his political and professional life than he has successes. I have no idea why people are so quick to put faith in a man who has, at best, a mediocre track record.
Oh, he'd be light years ahead of any of the Fords. I expect he'd simply do what staff told him to do, and make some inspiring speeches. But he won't tackle some of the major issues - such as the police budget. Or do what Miller did, and take on the unions looking for concessions. I'd expect Chow to shake things up a lot more. Would that be best for the city? Hard to tell.The mayor after all doesn't really do much. A great mayor like Miller didn't put Toronto into greatness, and a horrid mayor like Ford didn't destroy the city. If Tory is a weak mayor that lets council walk all over him, that really isn't the worst case scenario in my eyes. I'm expecting we will have a solid council this term.
John Tory has attended Pride in the past for goodness sakes. Doesn't that prove that he isn't a bigot (based on your definition of the word)?
One can argue that his wanting to pull funding for the parade isn't a wise decision, but it hardly makes him a bigot. There is no evidence to suggest that this stance was based on anything sexual, but was entirely a politically motivated decision.
I don't think he fears/hates gays. But I don't think he sees them as equals. Why is he not concerned about other hate groups that march in city parades, such as Roman Catholic organizations and the Salvation Army?
Are you not paying attention? He just promised to pull Pride funding over a wedge-issue pushed by a group of anti-gay bigots. I suppose it's possible that he's not actually bigoted, and is simply a gullible and ignorant fool. Either way I'm not impressed.
Though remember he has a history of supporting bigotry. Rob Ford is well known for his anti-gay bigoted views. And John Tory supported him. Dittor for Randy Hillier. If you support a bigot, then surely you are a bigot.
Perhaps not - but trying to hide the truth of John Tory's years of supporting bigots does seem rather odd to me. Why are people afraid to discuss this?
Where have I said this? Your twisting my words.
If one supports a bigot, one is a bigot. If one support a racist, one is a racist. John Tory has done both - and on multiple occasions. Now he suddenly and unnecessarily reopens an old issue that was resolved, siding with some very prejudiced people.
At what point do we stop giving John Tory a free pass?
Personally, I'm not sure why one would ever think why one who hates gays is homophobic (fears gays). I've never seen the link. But no, I'm not convinced that he fears gays.
Are you not paying attention? He just promised to pull Pride funding over a wedge-issue pushed by a group of anti-gay bigots. I suppose it's possible that he's not actually bigoted, and is simply a gullible and ignorant fool. Either way I'm not impressed.
Though remember he has a history of supporting bigotry. Rob Ford is well known for his anti-gay bigoted views. And John Tory supported him. Dittor for Randy Hillier. If you support a bigot, then surely you are a bigot.
Perhaps not - but trying to hide the truth of John Tory's years of supporting bigots does seem rather odd to me. Why are people afraid to discuss this?
Where have I said this? Your twisting my words. Why are you trying to white-wash racism and bigotry? There's no defence for this. If you support a bigot, you are a bigot. If you support a racist, you are a racist. John Tory has done both - and on multiple occasions.