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Except a reporter had a copy of his criminal history, and what do you think would have been exposed next when he started digging deeper? It's called damaged control and a pragmatic reaction to a situation that would have looked even worse had the reporter broke the whole story. You don't think...

Wow, good spin-job there, so good that it's an outright lie. Not that I think the drug is an issue, but Ford denied smoking weed vehemently and only manned up when he knew someone had a copy of his criminal history in Florida, including his DUI. He claimed he "forgot" and only disclosed his DUI...

And they both came from wealthy families and got their jobs through their fathers. Though Bush was actually likebale, Ford just seems contemptuous.

Really? I wonder what Ottawa has to say about a politician that promised tax relief and improved service as a way to balance the budget. We'll certainly see Ford living up to his promises when he realizes it's not possible to balance a budget by both increasing service and reducing taxes. He'll...

Is George Dubya Bush more apt?

No, he has no connections with Vaughan. I was being facetious in regards to Vaughan only electing Italians. Fantino running in another riding would be met with indifference and the Liberals won't put a non-Italian against him. The high profile ones (Sorbara, Bevilacqua) are either already...

Do you have a link/source for this? I'd like to see a breakdown of voting patterns if it exists.

I think the absence of Rossi helped Ford a lot. Smitherman was attacked from both sides whereas in previous debates Ford was getting pummeled by both Rossi and Smitherman. A one-on-one debate would have been nice...

You don't think there will be a much better progressive candidate in 4 years? Even a scandal plagued Giambrone would have performed better than Pantalone.

That question at the very end of the show was pathetic. This lady essentially accused Smitherman for personally not saving her father's life? Ford shill methinks.

It's the streetcar riders, all of those tax-sucking elitist scoundrels that have metropasses and look at us with scorn from their ivory towers.

He didn't ask a loaded question or one that was biased, so I don't see the problem. What about the woman from Scarborough that asked the eHealth question - what was the purpose of that considering it was already brought up 30 times thus far in the debate?

This would be infinitely better without Pantalone interfering with the contenders. Smitherman has been use to virtually ignore him and stay on point with Ford.

ONLINE STREAM!!!! http://www.cp24.com/live/

I can't seem to find one either. I'm listening with my radio which has so much interference.

ARGH! Party room closed on the one day I actually have a need for it. Guess I'll be streaming it over the radio then... I've set up an IRC channel for anyone that wants to discuss the debate in real-time with me. irc.whatnet.org channel #toronto2010

Rocco Rossi. :D When is the by-election going to be? Fantino winning would be disappointing, Vaughan hasn't gone Con for decades.

Might just go with radio or I could go down to the "party room" of my condo and see if the tv is available. I wonder if anyone else has an interest in the debate in my building.

I can attest to that. It's not at the point of irreparable anger, but I find myself arguing every day with this one Ford supporter at work. Anyone know if the televised debate tonight will be streamed online?

Which polls showed this? I only remember one and wasn't that the 400 person poll which had Smitherman in the lead?