Monarch Butterfly
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It could be a high speed LRT, if the TTC can get past the automobile lobby saboteurs.
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Eglinton East LRT | Metrolinx
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urbanclient
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Hear me out, I'd be okay with Eglinton East being at-grade, assuming fast speeds through intersections, strong signal priority/preemption, and 1+ km stop spacing. The 1 km or greater stop spacing is key.
If parallel buses will run, then the stop spacing should be wide to facilitate rapid transit. It makes no sense that the smaller, more sparsely populated Line 5 area from Don Valley to Kennedy has more stops than the larger Line 2 area from Pape to Kennedy. 11 vs. 9 stops inclusive.
The fact that a large contingent of transit enthusiasts here are ravenous about (what I consider to be) narrow stop spacing does not bode well for what the uninformed masses and politicians think. Narrow stop spacing even in the relative suburbs. As a general rule, the stop spacing should be wider the farther away from downtown, excepting secondary CBDs.
Just look how Line 5 is hamstrung, even with a theoretical top speed of 80 km/h. From Mount Pleasant to Leaside, it hits 80, then has to decelerate within 3 seconds. Despite there being 970 metres (1060-90) between station platforms. Similar case for Leaside to Laird. In total, there are only 3 segments out of 14 where it reaches 80 km/h.
A total time of less than 20 seconds at 80 km/h, around 0.4 out of 18.6 km.
Adjei
Senior Member
Good news. Nobody wants this. Just build BRT lanes and call it a day.Province says Eglinton East LRT not currently on priority list
Province says Eglinton East LRT not currently on priority list
Mayor Olivia Chow’s executive committee passed a motion Wednesday calling on the provincial and federal governments to prioritize the Eglinton East LRT, but the provincial government said the project is not currently on their list of priorities.www.cp24.com
Aplus23
Active Member
advancing to 30% design means someone does want this and actively putting up money to speed up the process
Scarborough residents want this
Bojaxs
Senior Member
EELRT is a terrible project that will be slower than buses in bus lanes.
What's worst is that it'll most likely be worst than Line 6 due to having so many bends and turns. At least Line 6 is pretty much a straight shot along Finch, and yet it barely manages to go faster than the bus it replaces.
What's worst is that it'll most likely be worst than Line 6 due to having so many bends and turns. At least Line 6 is pretty much a straight shot along Finch, and yet it barely manages to go faster than the bus it replaces.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
This really doesn't make a lot of sense. When RER is {finally} up and running, southern Scar will have 4 GO stops, offering far superior service and speed. The only part I think that would be needed is to extend Eglinton LRT east to Eglinton GO station for an easy and single transfer for those going along Eglinton and/or Kennedy.
KhalilHeron
Active Member
Scarborough residents want better transit, and this is currently the only thing on offer. Nothing about the project specifics inspire much optimism or excitement in the people I know who use the corridor every day. Improved GO service will be much more transformational.
Voltz
Senior Member
I want it,
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Need the provincial government money to buy the Premier a government plane and expand Billy Bishop Airport (YTZ), which means nothing left for the peasants.Province says Eglinton East LRT not currently on priority list
Province says Eglinton East LRT not currently on priority list
Mayor Olivia Chow’s executive committee passed a motion Wednesday calling on the provincial and federal governments to prioritize the Eglinton East LRT, but the provincial government said the project is not currently on their list of priorities.
Jac.
New Member
Agreed, I just hope that people in this area understand that wanting better transit doesn't mean you accept the first option handed to you, as I've said before I live around here and there are a decent amount of bus routes that take me to Kennedy Station, and yes it is true that they do take half an hour to actually get there but that is nothing that a proper BRT system couldn't fix or speed up, I am 1000% against the idea of spending billions of dollars just to solve an inexpensive problem, and even reading the conversations here about how they can do stuff like the segments on Morningside Avenue towards UTSC tells me everything I need to know about this project being nothing but an expensive headache falsely being advertised as an improvement for Scarborough residents. Why anyone would support switching from having buses that come sometimes in under 6 minutes to having a potentially shorter wait all in the sake of "it gets me there faster" when the solution of just making the bus network better is right there is beyond me? I don't wanna speculate. Unless they find a way to fix the situation over at Kennedy Station so they can continue Line 5 eastwards without being blocked by Line 2's tunnels they can respectfully keep this plan as an imagination...
KhalilHeron
Active Member
Problem I encounter a lot with this project is that most casual transit users will hear about the LRT plan and assume that it will be faster than the bus. That obviously changing since line 6 opened but a lot of people understandably assume that a big project like that should be delivering real benefits for users. Lot of local project supporters don't know run times will be similar if not longer than the bus, don't know that frequencies will be lower, or that many trips will be made longer by additional transfer.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
Jac........I agree but only to a point.
I do think that extending the line east to Eglinton GO makes sense. Currently anyone coming in from eastern Scar/Oshawa wanting to get to Kennedy to continue either along Eglinton LRT or the Danforth subway either has to get off at Eglinton GO, then take a 3km bus ride to get to Kennedy and then transfer again or continue to Scar GO, then wait for the Stoufville GO for a paltry 1 km north to get to Kennedy. Such an extension would get rid of a needless and painful transfer. It would only be a very short extension but would greatly improve connectivity. Also, the biggest hurdle and expense being Kennedy station is already completed so it would be relatively easy and cheap to build as long as ML doesn't get it's greasy hands on it. It would only need 2 intermediate stops between Kennedy and Eglinton GO stations.
I do think that extending the line east to Eglinton GO makes sense. Currently anyone coming in from eastern Scar/Oshawa wanting to get to Kennedy to continue either along Eglinton LRT or the Danforth subway either has to get off at Eglinton GO, then take a 3km bus ride to get to Kennedy and then transfer again or continue to Scar GO, then wait for the Stoufville GO for a paltry 1 km north to get to Kennedy. Such an extension would get rid of a needless and painful transfer. It would only be a very short extension but would greatly improve connectivity. Also, the biggest hurdle and expense being Kennedy station is already completed so it would be relatively easy and cheap to build as long as ML doesn't get it's greasy hands on it. It would only need 2 intermediate stops between Kennedy and Eglinton GO stations.
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KhalilHeron
Active Member
Unfortunatly ML already has their hands on it, the line 2 tunnel issue east of Kennedy will make a lien 5 extension quite expensive. I think it could be feasible to build the tunnel portal on the northside of the line 2 tunnel, but there would be significant property requirement involved. I think it's safe to say at this point that metrolinx will not redesign the line 2 tunnel to support an extension by the time it's built.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
^^^ I don't understand. Wasn't Kennedy station designed with an eastern LRT in mind so it would just be a straight line under Eglinton to merge to street level once it goes thru the station? Wasn't the location of the Scar subway also built with this in mind?
lastcommodore
Active Member
Unfortunately, no. Stouffville skips Scarborough and Danforth, the only connecting station between Stouffville and LSE is Union Station. I have no idea if this is to change, but once the OL is up they will both stop at East Harbour.
From what I have heard from others on this issue, apparently the SSE's placement would make it difficult to extend line 5 eastwards underground,which is why the EELRT is planned to have a separate terminal at Kennedy that must be transferred to where it can go above ground.
I (and as far as I am aware, nobody here) has access to any engineering documents that would show this to be true or false.
Personal Opinion: I personally believe it sounds a bit far fetched and that extending 5 could totally be done, if with added complexity. I have no proof or evidence to back that up. I think a non-connecting LRT from Eglinton GO to Kennedy GO would be a massive lost opportunity and cause too many linear transfers; I sincerely think that extra cost is warranted to get line 5 through-running with grade-separation to Eglinton GO.