generalcanada
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LMAO what the hell did they spend 200k on lol.
Toronto Ontario Line 3 | Metrolinx
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urbanclient
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10k on new signage, 190k on consultant fees for the new and improved® design and font choice
I believe a decades old argument was made that Gardiner replacement sections should've been precast, the time saved and longer lifespan would've more than made up for the higher initial costs.
The concrete would cure faster and stronger in a controlled setting.
T3G
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I don't understand how it could have possibly cost any money at all to rename stations that only exist in the imaginations of bureaucrats. Is changing a word on a graphic or in a text document something that we need to expense for, now?
Frankietls
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Pretty typical for any type of consultancy quotation, the formula goes like this:
(Number of changed drawings x billable hours per drawing) x (Jr Drafter rate + Sr Drafter rate + Engineer/Architect rate + Lead Engineer/Architect rate + Project Coordinator rate + Project Manager rate + Director rate)
Of course those are "asking" price, they will be haggled down.
Monarch Butterfly
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Why "soft costs" for transit projects in North America are MUCH higher than in Europe and Asia. Keeps adding up higher and higher.
urbanclient
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----------Mx probably took it down, here's an archive:
Here's a timeline, interesting that Leslieville was changed, then changed back. There may have been other names and map iterations.
March 2021 (Dates in bottom right of photos):
June 2025:
March/April 2026:
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You're telling me just two slightly modified map iterations would cost upwards of $500,000? $430k +$60k + $?
I think I've paid less than $100 for bigger changes to graphic design work.
Talk about labour abuses abroad. It seems like the the labour is abusing the public purse here. Considering the stations haven't even built yet, and assuming the physical signs have not been created yet, there is no good reason for changes to cost half a million dollars.
Why is Moss Park affected to the tune of $200,000 but not East Harbour or Gerrard which are adjacent to (Corktown) Distillery District and (Riverside-)Leslieville?
Why not Exhibition and Osgoode? If there is public uproar about these leaked? costs, would you risk retaliation from Metrolinx?
Frankietls
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It's Corktown, not Moss Park, a typo from me.
duty free
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duty free
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I completely agree. There is no worse suggestion than naming station or anything else after people. Hopefully we’ve learned why. We don’t need another Hazel McCallion D.U.I. LRTNothing should ever be named after a person, IMO. It leads to sticky situations where they eventually need to be renamed, along with the other issue being pointed out which is that they don't provide wayfinding.
Outside of that, it lets governments-of-the-day name and memorialize people they specifically like. Hope you enjoy using John Tory Station - I won't be telling you where it is.
christiesplits
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I'm surprised they changed Queen-Spadina to "Chinatown," but didn't change Pape to "Greektown."
APTA-2048
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It should be abundantly clear by now that Metrolinx is just making crap up at this point. There’s too many inconsistencies on the Eglinton Line, the Finch line, some of their GO Stations, and now this line.
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They did it anyway – an entire line! – for a terrible person because she was a crony of Doug Ford.
max
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As Pape is an existing station, it probably would have cost more than the hundreds of thousands to rename the as yet unbuilt stations on the line.
Aplus23
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as a Scarborough resident, where is Chinatown North? Bromley & Sheppard area, I'm 39yrs old and have never heard of a Chinatown North or anywhere being called Chinatown North.
When ppl hear Chinatown, it's definitely Spadina
Collingwoodbuildinglover
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Looking forward to seeing the first spoils coming out of the TBM shaft thanks for the heads up on when launch is 