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Ottawa Transit Developments

Bojaxs said:
There's just no saving the O-train. The city doesn't want to admit that the rolling stock is the issue.

The O-train should have been built to the same specs as either the Vancouver Skytrain or Montreal REM.
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Uh oh, what's going to happen to Hurontario and Hamilton that have even tighter curves than Ottawa....

I'm beating the dead horse again
 
urbanclient said:
Uh oh, what's going to happen to Hurontario and Hamilton that have even tighter curves than Ottawa....

I'm beating the dead horse again
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How many curbs are there for Hamilton??

There are 4 90 degree curves from Mississauga OMSF to Hurontario St main tracks. There are 4 sweeping curves to/from the elevated sections. There are 2 sweeping bend trackwork for Port Credit. Otherwise, all trackwork for Mississauga LRT is straight track. There will be 4 90 degree turns when the loop gets built and nothing of the Brampton extension,

All the Alstom LRV's bogies do no comply to NA trackwork using NA rails with Alstom unwilling to modified the bogies to meet NA standards,. Only 4% of the what has been built to date for Alstom LRV's are in NA and a drop in the buck to them, Europe use the groove rail that used to be used in NA until cities removed their streetcar networks. Since their was only a few systems left by the 70's, steel mills stop rolling the groove rail to the point regular rail was used to replace tracks that need rebuilding back then as well for new lines since then.

Since March 2025, large sections of the Mississauga trackwork has been torn up and rebuilt to meet Alstom requirements for their bogies if ML wants Alstom warranty for the LRV's. All new trackwork must meet Alstom requirements before concrete is pour to anchor the tracks in place. This requires laser beam alignments and extra surveying during the placement of the tracks as well during the pouring of the concrete, You got now two different trackwork companies since September 2025 installing and rebuilding trackwork.

Trackwork for Finch Line 6 is different from Hurontario with Finch seeing some trackwork rebuilt. No idea what is plan for Hamilton trackwork but it must meet Alstom requirements. Since Alstom is the sole supplier for Ontario, all future LRV's will be built to their standards and will all trackwork meet Alstom requirements that may have an impact on all existing TTC trackwork as well Waterloo and Ottawa. How Ottawa will deal with the O-train issues, that is up to the city.

I am not a fan of Alstom LRV's as I have ridden them in Europe too many times and this what you get going to an single source supplier.

I have seen CAF 45m LRV in Maryland for the Purple line that will see service in 2027 using standard RR trackwork open and encase in concrete with no issues with trackwork so far in testing that has a number of 90 degree curves at 35m radius.
 
drum118 said:
How many curbs are there for Hamilton??

There are 4 90 degree curves from Mississauga OMSF to Hurontario St main tracks. There are 4 sweeping curves to/from the elevated sections. There are 2 sweeping bend trackwork for Port Credit. Otherwise, all trackwork for Mississauga LRT is straight track. There will be 4 90 degree turns when the loop gets built and nothing of the Brampton extension,

All the Alstom LRV's bogies do no comply to NA trackwork using NA rails with Alstom unwilling to modified the bogies to meet NA standards,. Only 4% of the what has been built to date for Alstom LRV's are in NA and a drop in the buck to them, Europe use the groove rail that used to be used in NA until cities removed their streetcar networks. Since their was only a few systems left by the 70's, steel mills stop rolling the groove rail to the point regular rail was used to replace tracks that need rebuilding back then as well for new lines since then.

Since March 2025, large sections of the Mississauga trackwork has been torn up and rebuilt to meet Alstom requirements for their bogies if ML wants Alstom warranty for the LRV's. All new trackwork must meet Alstom requirements before concrete is pour to anchor the tracks in place. This requires laser beam alignments and extra surveying during the placement of the tracks as well during the pouring of the concrete, You got now two different trackwork companies since September 2025 installing and rebuilding trackwork.

Trackwork for Finch Line 6 is different from Hurontario with Finch seeing some trackwork rebuilt. No idea what is plan for Hamilton trackwork but it must meet Alstom requirements. Since Alstom is the sole supplier for Ontario, all future LRV's will be built to their standards and will all trackwork meet Alstom requirements that may have an impact on all existing TTC trackwork as well Waterloo and Ottawa. How Ottawa will deal with the O-train issues, that is up to the city.

I am not a fan of Alstom LRV's as I have ridden them in Europe too many times and this what you get going to an single source supplier.

I have seen CAF 45m LRV in Maryland for the Purple line that will see service in 2027 using standard RR trackwork open and encase in concrete with no issues with trackwork so far in testing that has a number of 90 degree curves at 35m radius.
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These curves are going to be tight. Dundurn at King/Main intersections are going to be a hot mess during construction too.

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Have they already procured the vehicles for Hamilton?? Surely they would fix this in the contract with Hamilton... the Bombardier equipment is showing what is possible in Edmonton, Toronto, and K-W. Why would they sign a new contract to reproduce the challenges of Ottawa and Finch West??
 
EnviroTO said:
Have they already procured the vehicles for Hamilton?? Surely they would fix this in the contract with Hamilton... the Bombardier equipment is showing what is possible in Edmonton, Toronto, and K-W. Why would they sign a new contract to reproduce the challenges of Ottawa and Finch West??
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They were part of the backup for the Eglinton Line 5 encases the BBD Freedoms could not be delivery on time. Once the Freedoms were going to be delivery on time, ML move the Alstom order to the Finch, Mississauga and Hamilton Lines.

Alstom is keeping the Flexity at this time since there were close to 6,000 of them built. The Freedom is to be phase out as Alstom wants to use the Citadis Spirit as the main platform for them.
 
drum118 said:
Alstom is keeping the Flexity at this time since there were close to 6,000 of them built. The Freedom is to be phase out as Alstom wants to use the Citadis Spirit as the main platform for them.
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It's nice for Alstom to want things... but the Citadis Spirit sucks so they are going to need to change their plans, or Hyundai Rotem and others are going to eat their lunch.
 
EnviroTO said:
It's nice for Alstom to want things... but the Citadis Spirit sucks so they are going to need to change their plans, or Hyundai Rotem and others are going to eat their lunch.
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Until others are willing to setup up shop in Canada, Alstom is what we got with a poor car at this time using buy Canada and Ontario policy's
 
drum118 said:
Those corners could be a problem depending where the guideway is.
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Which is exactly why for the Hamilton LRT we absolutely need to pivot back to the 403 bridge and avoid the tight turns on Dundurn St.

Especially if the Provincial government insists on using the Alstom Citadis on the Hamilton LRT.

The 403 bridge is expensive, but will make the Hamilton LRT more attractive in the eyes of riders & nearby residents. Will allow for quicker journeys on the line.
 
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