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Is 20 or 21 that different from 22 km/h? Metrolinx says 20-21. The difference between 21 and 22 is 80 seconds for 10.3 km.
Not really? I get where you're coming from since travel times are improved from the high 50, 60+ minute range from December. However, 20 km/h for 10.3 km would be 30 minutes and 54 seconds. The line regularly does low to mid 40 minutes, assuming nothing goes wrong... https://stevemunro.ca/2026/02/24/line-6-finch-west-delays-january-2026-update/
Let me check my math; I had 28 minutes versus 33 minutes.
Which says 33 minutes, and then they blew the math calculating 20 to 21 km/hr rather than 19 km/hr.
The promise was 33 minutes. I think that may be achievable. Whether that require redesigned bogies or different equipment I don't know.
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Is that with the wind or against the wind?
Then what about the crosswinds? They close bridges on the QEW when the winds are very high or force the high trucks to go slow.See you'd think that right, but no... Metrolinx can't do math no matter how you cut it.
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"Beating the bus most of the day"
Agree, even with no engineering/track design background it's quite clear from riding the line for even just 5 minutes something is fundamentally wrong with the way the vehicles moves along the tracks. Whether or not that's being caused by poor vehicle construction (which with the manufacturers track recorded I lean toward this scenario), or messed up track geometry I can't say, but the grinding sensation is insane.See you'd think that right, but no... Metrolinx can't do math no matter how you cut it.
11km @ 20 km/h is 33 minutes; and 11 km @ 21 km/h is 31 minutes and 26 seconds.
10.3 km @ 20 km/h is 30 minutes and 54 seconds; and 10.3 km @ 21 km/h is 29 minutes 26 seconds.
Not the "33-34 minutes" @ "20-21 km/h". https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/finch-west-lrt/faqs#:~:text=33-34 minutes to travel from end to end, for an average speed of 20-21 km/h
I didn't want to make my post any longer than it needed to be, so I avoided diving into this farcical incompetence.
And even for 33-34 min, I seriously doubt it, given what all parties know about the Spirits' problems in Ottawa. They're probably bracing for unexpectedly high maintenance/repair costs. Whether Metrolinx or the consortium is on the hook for repairs, I don't know. However, I am not expecting the manufacturer to pay up, since Alstom has tried to dodged responsibility as the manufacturer in Ottawa, even after the Inquiry. Seeing as its been nearly 4 years since the Inquiry and Alstom's redesign has still not been finished, I wouldn't hold my breath for Line 6.
And in Alstom's defence, Finch West was apparently designed for Flexity Freedoms, not Citadis Spirits?
If Ottawa can't fix problems involving tracks and vehicles supposedly designed for each other, even after a public inquiry, then how is Metrolinx supposed to fix problems when the two were not expressly designed for each other?
2024: " 'Alstom has indicated that a sustainable solution can be achieved without a redesign and is not currently working on this initiative,' staff say. 'The City has formally communicated the imperative for the re-design work to re-commence.' "
Alstom hits the brakes on redesigning axles on Ottawa's LRT vehicles
Alstom is hitting the brakes on redesigning the wheel hub assembly on Ottawa's LRT vehicles, which was once billed as a "final fix" to a problem that has caused at least three shutdowns on the Confederation Line over the past three years.
2025: " 'Alstom obviously has a vested interest in it not being their problem,' Dumond said, noting that redesigning the axle hub would cost the company money, while changing the tracks would not."
2026: "Metal flaking in wheel assembly appears related to previous issues, according to expert" According to this article, potentially the same issues that led to the 2021 derailments and 2022 Inquiry.
The bus was still faster at the times of day late at night when few used it.
At the right time of night, the Bloor-Danforth night bus can reliably beat the subway.
For some reason people who i assume don't use buses often think it's slow when they can often times faster than the subway when traffic is light,
Whatever the case, a tram on a raised median should be beating a bus by a large(r) margin during the day. Especially since it stops less frequently. Having improved the signal priority at every intersection, the shortcomings going forward seem unique to lines running Citadis Spirits. The redesign to be implemented in 20XX? is for the cartridge bearing assembly only AFAIK. There would be no changes to the trains inability to make sharp turns at speed, which may be to do with the bogies constrained by the tight packaging. And maybe the problem is (also) something to do with the tracks...
So I really gotta ask, 'cause I dont have much knowledge on this particular part-- how in the world did Alstom screw it up? What in did the Citadis Spirit have that the Dualis did not, that made Ottawa and Metrolinx choose the Spirit, and how in the world did the Spitits end up so damn unreliable and problematic? The Citadis line has sold countless trams, it's not like Alstom's new to this.
Im not sure about the grinding, i didnt really feel/hear that when I last took it both times, but I definitely felt a distinct shaking/bumping feel from the wheels and tracks.... perhaps there's warping somewhere?
I might have gotten a more dramatic experience as I was sitting on the 4 top seats raised above the wheel hubs
