NorthernTracks
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They're about 3 years late.Some disquiet in Gravenhurst over the choice to build a shelter rather than use the heritage station?
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Ontario Northland/Northern Ontario Transportation
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lenaitch
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Maybe if they offered the space for free. A waiting room in a century old building implies staff, insurance premiums (more than a kiosk would), etc. for two trains per day., even if they moved the bus stop there, unless a business was willing to be an agent as a side gig, With online ticketing and no baggage/freight service, plunking a modular kiosk on a platform that they now own seems to make more sense.Some disquiet in Gravenhurst over the choice to build a shelter rather than use the heritage station?
I don't know if they've said or, if they did I missed it or forgot. They could take over the Kidd Met. Site, build their own or ship it to Sudbury. There is apparently some Chromium in them thar hills as well (I don't know how much) and there is currently no Chromium refinery in Canada that I am aware of and mining at the RoF is years down the road.
micheal_can
Senior Member
If there is no nickel smelter in the Timmins Area, then shipping it to Sudbury's 2 refineries may make sense.That will mean more revenue for OVR if that happens.
AFAIK the Chromium smelter is supposed to be built in SSM. If that gets built sooner than later, that could be another boom for OVR, and HCR.
Krypto98
Active Member
A new siding north of Zephyr is being built north on the cedarbrae crossing, between smith blvd. It's currently under construction. Should be about 13-14k feet
Krypto98
Active Member
I was told ONR will start running all the trains in September. CN A451/450, L595 + Northlander
Fritter
Active Member
So ONR crews will operate the freight trains right from McMillan yard to North Bay? If so, I can only assume many ONR engineers and conductors are currently doing Subdivision familiarity training right now.
just east of the creek
Senior Member
Waiting on Air Canada after almost two weeks of exploring some of Manitoba and Ontarios loneliest highways. But lots of transit time on the Trans Canada as well. And although it was been a tough winter, it is not as if these highways are stuck in the 50’s, nor is it that they are overwhelmed with traffic. And you can go on about Manitoba’s twinning of the TC, which they did where the topography was flat but quickly abandoned that around Falcon Lake as blasting granite became a requirement , but the traffic numbers simply do not stand up. There are a list of items however, that can be addressed, that would help us all.
- addressing and raising the standards for truck driver certification. See some of the EU examples.
- Winter tire requirements for cars and trucks of all classes.
- Creation of bypass routes around locations such as Ignace, Vermillion etc as has been done with Kenora
- Creation of far more off highway rest or inspection areas for drivers of cars and trucks. Perhaps every 50 km or so.
- And related to the above, some systematic widening of shoulders as highways are replaced and where possible. In many areas the shoulders have become narrower due to plowed snow and lack of area to push the snow further away from the driving lanes. Therefore any vehicle stopping is in a position where they are stopped in the driving lane and any inspection or emergency work is problematic.
- Systematic lengthening or joining of existing passing lanes where large scale removal of rock faces is not required. (And in doing so, in some areas creating a 2 + 1 highway system)
- Additional passing lanes, again where large scale rock removal is not required. (The Kenora region is more problematic, the Ignace area far easier for instance)
- Increased compliance testing of all trucks.
- Twinning or divided highways in selective areas. Certain areas of the ROW due not lend themselves to verge separated twinning ( topography, lakes, rivers, existing towns) and separated lanes will do. Extensions to twinning or separated lanes around Sudbury. Sault Ste Marie. Completion of the work from the Manitoba border. Through North Bay with some further bridges.
I think that is quite a bundle of initiatives that could be undertaken with good results.
And if twinning is further required in certain areas, then you are well on your way to implementing a program.
But there are few highways quieter then 17 after the Red Lake cutoff very late at night.
- addressing and raising the standards for truck driver certification. See some of the EU examples.
- Winter tire requirements for cars and trucks of all classes.
- Creation of bypass routes around locations such as Ignace, Vermillion etc as has been done with Kenora
- Creation of far more off highway rest or inspection areas for drivers of cars and trucks. Perhaps every 50 km or so.
- And related to the above, some systematic widening of shoulders as highways are replaced and where possible. In many areas the shoulders have become narrower due to plowed snow and lack of area to push the snow further away from the driving lanes. Therefore any vehicle stopping is in a position where they are stopped in the driving lane and any inspection or emergency work is problematic.
- Systematic lengthening or joining of existing passing lanes where large scale removal of rock faces is not required. (And in doing so, in some areas creating a 2 + 1 highway system)
- Additional passing lanes, again where large scale rock removal is not required. (The Kenora region is more problematic, the Ignace area far easier for instance)
- Increased compliance testing of all trucks.
- Twinning or divided highways in selective areas. Certain areas of the ROW due not lend themselves to verge separated twinning ( topography, lakes, rivers, existing towns) and separated lanes will do. Extensions to twinning or separated lanes around Sudbury. Sault Ste Marie. Completion of the work from the Manitoba border. Through North Bay with some further bridges.
I think that is quite a bundle of initiatives that could be undertaken with good results.
And if twinning is further required in certain areas, then you are well on your way to implementing a program.
But there are few highways quieter then 17 after the Red Lake cutoff very late at night.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Ontario 511
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As of 8pm
My deck has 1.5 feet of snow.
17 from Sudbury to almost Wawa - Closed
11 From North Bay to Cochrane - Closed
101 From Wawa to 129 - Closed
129 from Warncliffe to101 - Closed.
The forecast for me in Sudbury is 40-90cm
just east of the creek
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I fled westward! I was in Dryden, but am in Winnipeg currently where it is cold and sunny. In perspective, 40 to 90 cm of snow would close the GTA. Completely.Ontario 511
Provides up to the minute traffic and transit information for Ontario. View the real time traffic map with travel times, traffic accident details, traffic cameras and other road conditions. Plan your trip and get the fastest route taking into account current traffic conditions.
As of 8pm
My deck has 1.5 feet of snow.
17 from Sudbury to almost Wawa - Closed
11 From North Bay to Cochrane - Closed
101 From Wawa to 129 - Closed
129 from Warncliffe to101 - Closed.
The forecast for me in Sudbury is 40-90cm
micheal_can
Senior Member
I do not know where could get 90cm of snow in 24 hours and not shut the city down.
And at this point, it would not surprise me if the trains shut down.
lenaitch
Senior Member
The one thing I like about Quebec 20 is their rest areas. Not a commercial service centre that is a sea of concrete, just a pulloff, some washrooms and picnic tables where you can unwind under some trees. They used to contract a coffee truck or something similar - don't know if they still do.
The problems with Ontario rest areas (and some of them are nice) is they are closed during the winter and most are suitable for trucks. They could increase the number of 'truck areas' like they have on Hwy 11 and 400 through Muskoka/Almaguin. Good straight approaches, parking, maybe a porta-potty.
I like the idea of paved shoulder. Northern Ontario highways generally have very soft shoulders due to the nature of the local sand, and some are quite dangerous for trucks to use. They can easily bury wheels or even tip over. When I worked the north, we generally let them pick their spot if we were pulling one over.
micheal_can
Senior Member
The problem with Northern ON is it is almost an after thought.
Rest areas? Closed in winter, when you really want to take a rest.
Paved shoulder? You are lucky if there even is a shoulder. There are parts of 144 that feels like even if you wanted to pull off, you would end up in a ditch, swamp or rock cut.
Passing lanes? Not on any other highways except for 11, 17 and 69. You may argue that 144 has 3, but none are outside of Greater Sudbury.
Krypto98
Active Member
Yeah ONR will create a crew base in North Bay and take over the freight trains. Running from North bay to Macyard. Or they will run Engleheart to Macyard.
They were even offering large amounts of money to CN engineers to jump ship to ONR.
They haven't started yet as far as I know.
CMQSD402F9011
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I wonder if they’ll use ONR power to Mac yard? Similar to how GEXR used to have run-thru 431-432 before. Would be nice if they bought the RoW from Mattawa to Smiths Falls on the old CP Rail.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Considering that it's CN's transcontinental route I'm surprised they sold it.