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Official Plan and Zoning By-law Amendment application for a mixed-use development comprised of two 48-storey towers containing approximately 1197 residential units and 1,300 square metres of non-residential GFA. The proposal includes a 729 square metre park and 245 square metre natural heritage open space.
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@Paclo

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Currently a Mercedes-Benz dealership:

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Hold on.......the files in this application are all dated from well back in 2025............ what kind of sorcery is this @PMT , both I , and @Paclo missed this.....? For months?

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Maybe we subconsciously were hoping Planning wouldn't notice it either....
 
As much as I'd like the dealerships along Dundas East to slowly disappear, the proposal for this to only be a showroom with (presumably) less vehicle deliveries is somewhat of an improvement. That said, still a profoundly disappointing use of the at grade commercial space if there's only one retail unit in the whole building. There's so much potential for Dundas and River to be a better served intersection since it already has the foot traffic, none of which make their way into car luxury car showrooms. Would be a great place for another grocery store though.
 
ear2ear said:
As much as I'd like the dealerships along Dundas East to slowly disappear, the proposal for this to only be a showroom with (presumably) less vehicle deliveries is somewhat of an improvement. That said, still a profoundly disappointing use of the at grade commercial space if there's only one retail unit in the whole building. There's so much potential for Dundas and River to be a better served intersection since it already has the foot traffic, none of which make their way into car luxury car showrooms. Would be a great place for another grocery store though.
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...that, and presumably it also means the City's de facto endorsement of having these dealers queue cars and car trailers in the f***ing bike lane all the time will be rendered moot.

Also, ban Arcadis.
 
ear2ear said:
As much as I'd like the dealerships along Dundas East to slowly disappear, the proposal for this to only be a showroom with (presumably) less vehicle deliveries is somewhat of an improvement. That said, still a profoundly disappointing use of the at grade commercial space if there's only one retail unit in the whole building. There's so much potential for Dundas and River to be a better served intersection since it already has the foot traffic, none of which make their way into car luxury car showrooms. Would be a great place for another grocery store though.
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It's on the edge of the Don Valley - it's a pretty marginal retail location anyway.

The urbanization of car dealerships is fine to me - they need to go somewhere as even downtown people still own, buy, and need to service their cars. They are also a fairly active retail use as well - a lot more people come and go to them than you may initially expect.

I do question the car dealer being the entire frontage on the public park and if that's entirely appropriate though..
 
ADRM said:
...that, and presumably it also means the City's de facto endorsement of having these dealers queue cars and car trailers in the f***ing bike lane all the time will be rendered moot.

Also, ban Arcadis.
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I just skimmed, but if I got the gist correctly, there will be no vehicle storage on site, and no maintenance on site either. It will be a car 'gallery' with a pick-up drop off for maintenance and purchases, with cars then valeted/transported to an off-site location.

Its the latter function that does strike me a potential issue for queuing, as I imagine the gallery cars won't be turned over very often.
 
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innsertnamehere said:
It's on the edge of the Don Valley - it's a pretty marginal retail location anyway.

The urbanization of car dealerships is fine to me - they need to go somewhere as even downtown people still own, buy, and need to service their cars. They are also a fairly active retail use as well - a lot more people come and go to them than you may initially expect.

I do question the car dealer being the entire frontage on the public park and if that's entirely appropriate though..
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Agreed, car dealerships are a necessary evil, at least the newer ones tend to look cool too.

If done well the vehicle gallery being the park frontage might actually be nice.

I’m imagining something like the gallery of classic cars they have on the second story of the Jaguar dealership just across the river.

A small park with a backdrop of classic Mercedes’ would be cool and pretty unique from every other park in the city.
 
innsertnamehere said:
It's on the edge of the Don Valley - it's a pretty marginal retail location anyway.
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Take some time to look at the foot traffic at River and Dundas, the number traveling across the bridge, or even the amount of people coming in and out of Bevy across the street from the dealership. I'd be shocked if even 1% of that traffic entered into the dealerships in the area. Considering how many NEW residential towers are planned within the block of this site, there could certainly be more retail to serve them.
 
ear2ear said:
Take some time to look at the foot traffic at River and Dundas, the number traveling across the bridge, or even the amount of people coming in and out of Bevy across the street from the dealership. I'd be shocked if even 1% of that traffic entered into the dealerships in the area. Considering how many NEW residential towers are planned within the block of this site, there could certainly be more retail to serve them.
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Yes absolutely - the proposal does have a new retail unit on the west side.

Retail tends not to work well immediately adjacent to large gaps in the street fabric like a ravine crossing though, especially since the east side of the Don Valley on Dundas is a retail dead zone. It's not a terrible location to put a car dealership - and the dealership will want the frontage along the DVP. Retail needs of the community can be made up for somewhere else as this spot wouldn't have done a good job at it anyway.
 
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