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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

smallspy said:
A train derailed fouling 2 of the ladders and 3 platform accesses in the USRC damaging a bunch of components and the signal system, and in a location where they can not access the equipment by crane.

There is no world in which this is a "simple" derailment.
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Follow up question.

Is there a reason they could not use a re-railer and/or a rail mounted crane?

I presume it has to do with the John Street Bridge and clearance issues?
 
Richard White said:
Follow up question.

Is there a reason they could not use a re-railer and/or a rail mounted crane?

I presume it has to do with the John Street Bridge and clearance issues?
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ive seen them use a rerailer device for freight cars. why couldnt they use it here?
 
Richard White said:
Follow up question.

Is there a reason they could not use a re-railer and/or a rail mounted crane?

I presume it has to do with the John Street Bridge and clearance issues?
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Hopefully some images will emerge showing the rerailing. that may explain things.

But - as explained already, the equipment was sitting on some complicated and potentially compromised trackage with lots of things in the mix - signal wiring, power wiring, gas lines, switch machines, switch heaters. Not much room for error. And the equipment was to be salvaged, and not written off.

Rerailers are great if the equipment can be rolled, wheels are still in alignment with the rails, and if the track itself is not compromised.

Cranes need clearance, but also stabilization, and there are limits on the geometry considering the weight of the load being shifted.

As explained, this is not a location where you can call in Hulcher and let what happens happen. I'm willing to believe they did this carefully and took all necessary precautions.

- Paul
 
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Richard White said:
Follow up question.

Is there a reason they could not use a re-railer and/or a rail mounted crane?

I presume it has to do with the John Street Bridge and clearance issues?
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cplchanb said:
ive seen them use a rerailer device for freight cars. why couldnt they use it here?
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You generally don't use a re-railer under passenger equipment if you can help it - there isn't a whole lot of clearance underneath them and so there is far too much potential for additional damage to the equipment. Same goes for locos. With freight equipment, there is far less going on between the trucks and the carbody.

As well, you try not to use them around switches. The last thing you want to do is end up doing so much damage that you have to replace the whole damn thing. They will have to replace some components from both of the double-slips, but they may not have to replace each one completely.

And as Paul correctly pointed out, you need to make sure that the trackage that you're putting the derailed equipment onto isn't compromised. If you try to pull the equipment forward or back, there was no guarantee of that here.

They could probably use a rail-mounted crane provided one of large enough capacity could be found nearby - remember that the MP54s are about 292k pounds, or about 132 tonnes. But the reality is that there are so few of them left that there probably just wasn't one stationed close enough to make it worthwhile.

Dan
 
FWIW CP24 did show a picture of a mobile crane hoisting the nose end of the locomotive.

Grabbing a decent screen capture is beyond my skill level.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
FWIW CP24 did show a picture of a mobile crane hoisting the nose end of the locomotive.

Grabbing a decent screen capture is beyond my skill level.

- Paul
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What an incredibly useful email.
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So, they know enough to say that tomorrow, they'll be cancelling 4 trains, but they can't be bothered to say which ones? Do I have to read tea leaves to figure this out?

It's always something with these goons at Metrolinx. I would be a lot more understanding of this cock up if every day wasn't a gamble whether I get to or from downtown in the first place. First it was the overcapacity buses on the 21, then the daily risk of bus cancellations because someone didn't bother to secure their bus fleet in time, God knows what's coming after this. I never want to see anyone advocating for a Metrolinx takeover of the LRT lines ever again!
 
www.cp24.com

‘Majority’ of GO train track repairs complete after Monday derailment: Metrolinx

Metrolinx says most of the necessary GO train track repairs are complete after a derailment on Monday caused serious transit disruptions for commuters — but service impacts will likely continue to be felt on Thursday.
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Highlights.

Metrolinx says most of the necessary GO train track repairs are complete after a derailment on Monday caused serious transit disruptions for commuters — but service impacts will likely continue to be felt on Thursday.

In an update Wednesday, the Crown-corporation that runs GO Transit said while the “majority” of the track work is finished, remaining work on the signal system is required due to the “significant damage” it sustained.

“Those repairs will take longer to complete, and at this stage we expect the impacts to extend into tomorrow,” a spokesperson said in an email.

It’s unclear when the signal system repairs will be completed.
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I just cant fathom how an issue with a single set of switches has pretty much crippled the ENTIRE NETWORK for the better part of the week. thats some next level sort of incompetence in redundancies and repair protocol. Imagine if the train had tipped over in the derailment or people were injured. Id bet this fiasco would last for a month.
 
Just got my hands on a video of Monday's derailment, check this out;
https://imgur.com/a/EDphPHH
Couldn't quite tell for sure because of the vid quality but it doesn't appear that any of the coaches derailed prior to when the rear truck of the last coach impacted the switch. But the loco could very well have already been on the ground before it appears in the video and if so just goes to show how far a train can go even when derailed at slow speed. Crazy to see the entire coach launched up several feet in the air like that as well. MX's strongly emphasized that the train derailed at a "slow" speed, but that impact was still somewhat violent.
 
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