Monarch Butterfly
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Would have thought the Ontario Hydro tower would have been moved first. Unless they are putting it in the roadway median.
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St Clair West Transportation Masterplan
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These may have been posted elsewhere on the forum, but to keep the images within this thread:
RapidTransit
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I know this is off topic. But too bad the St Clair ROW couldn't be extended from Gunns loop to Scarlett Rd as part of a bigger Master Plan. Maybe even past Scarlett to Dundas, but that's dreaming.
lowtrain
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I would take a bus over the St Clair streetcar with its dismal average speed any day.
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Have you been on St. Clair when the replacement bus service is in place??
RapidTransit
Active Member
I would take a frequent, but slower streetcar ride over and infrequent bus. If the streetcar comes right away, but operates slower, I would still get to my destination faster than waiting 30 min for a fast bus. I'm talking specifically west of Gunns loop with route 189. Every 20 mins, maybe?
If the St Clair streetcar gets extended today, especially after the Finch fiasco, I think it would have a lot of lessons learned from Finch and St Clair bad designs and implementation. If it were to be extended , there should be room for buses to operate for both shuttles or parallel bus service like 79 to comfortably operate.
Too bad it's not a priority, especially the connection to Jane and Scarlett buses. And potentially Junction on Dundas. It's a missing link.
Wasn't there land set aside for a future extension of St Clair ROW west of Gunns loop? It appears wide enough right uo untill about Britannia street. After that towards Runnymede it gets narrow.
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Monarch Butterfly
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The old Toronto Suburban Railway's Guelph line ran from Keele and Dundas Streets in Toronto to the Grand Trunk Railway station in Guelph. North of St. Clair Avenue West, the right-of-way is now an Ontario Hydro Line corridor. They could extend the 512 St. Clair north from Gunns Loop and then use part of the green space of the hydro corridor to Scarlett Road.
Towered
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At one point many years ago there was a proposal to extend the St. Clair streetcar all the way to Kipling station. The upcoming new underpass at Scarlett was even designed to accommodate it...
Sigh.
crs1026
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And then the underpass was redesigned without the necessary features for trams. No longer in the plan.
- Paul
Amare
Senior Member
It's probably for the best.
If there was ever a streetcar that ran from Kipling to St.Clair, it would take one half the day just to get from one end to the other with the TTC's streetcar operating practices.
nfitz
Superstar
Who rides streetcars from one end to the other? It would be about a 10-minute ride from the proposed Line 8 station at Jane to St. Clair–Old Weston station.
crs1026
Superstar
A lot would depend on whether there is any interest in developing Dundas West as a TOD corridor. While development is happening along Dundas west of the Humber, I don't see it reaching a level where higher order transit could be justified. East of the Humber, over to the new GO station, St Clair is not a development priority it seems.
Linking the Six Points with Yonge along St Clair is an interesting "line on a map" exercise, but not likely to rise to the actionable level. And if a crosstown GO ever happens on the North Toronto rail line, streetcar connectivity would be moot.
- Paul
Linking the Six Points with Yonge along St Clair is an interesting "line on a map" exercise, but not likely to rise to the actionable level. And if a crosstown GO ever happens on the North Toronto rail line, streetcar connectivity would be moot.
- Paul
nfitz
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Would it? How many GO stations do you anticipate on that line between Kipling station and a station at Jane? How many between Jane and Weston?
Streetcars aren't for longer distance services. For that build subway and RER-like services.
sebajun
Active Member
Unfortunately, I think all the renders related to St. Clair are no longer true (and therefore, I would question the rest). The province silently cancelled the widening of St. Clair, so there will be no solution to the traffic problems there. Seems like the turfed the Masterplan. They will be doing the Gunns road and Davenport extension though, and it will all be done in unison with the Up Express station.
Source 1: https://www.alejandrabravo.ca/fix_the_bottleneck
Source 2:
KhalilHeron
Active Member
Someone needs to tell that to Metrolinx : )