A 6264
Active Member
So you're recommending the TTC build a mickey mouse transit system?
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
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PL1
Senior Member
Nope. At 7:00, there were delays on the whole of Line 2 due to weather-related delays. I never claimed they were down all day, but to say "OnLy tHa FiNcH" is incorrect. I am by no means an apologist for how this line has been opened/built/operated to date. But please be factually correct.Nope
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LIVE UPDATES: Winter storm slams GTA, up to 35 cm expected
A major winter storm is snarling travel across the GTA this morning, with up to 35 centimetres of snow expected and the closure of the DVP in both directions after multiple collisions and black ice.www.cp24.com
urbanclient
Active Member
What is the 'wrongdoing' exactly? The state did not directly cause anyone to be infirm or handicapped in this case (for all intents and purposes).
To some, this can be seen as obscene. This is subjective.
@lowtrain responded to the potential implication that subways were down as well. That subways were mildly delayed, and riders were mildly annoyed is entirely different from a 8.5 hour outage and counting on Line 6. Let's not equate absolutely 0 service to some easily expected delays. I expect myself to drive slower than usual today. I also expect the perennially delayed subways to be slightly more delayed due to weather. Nobody expects Line 6 to shutdown completely due to routine snowfall.
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A 6264
Active Member
The sentence you've highlighted was meant to be context-free. A too-small compensation was a hypothetical example of a small thing being obscene, with no reference to what was being discussed.
Regarding addressing mobility issues for the minority as being obscene, surely it's been a public awakinging over the last half century that denying mobility for everyone, just because the less mobile are a minority, is wrong.
For example, we used to like seeing big long, wide stairs leading up to the doorways of institution buildings, precisely because it implied elitism, and access for a limited few. Now, we look at that as insensitive, and call for ramps instead.
But your reply may not be what the poster meant. I'd like to hear what they have to say. (Again, not being arrogantly demanding of an answer, just curious. A reply is optional.)
johntauren
Active Member
Today is far from a routine snowfall. Probably the most in single day for a while.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
So is that justification for it to be down?
urbanclient
Active Member
To reply to someone's nitpick about whether the snowfall is routine. It is routine in the sense that we are supposed to see this multiple times a year. Toronto's climate is humid continental with 120 to 130 cm of snow per year. This year in particular is colder and dryer compared to the typical winter; during a wet winter we would see even more snowfall for more days.
If these clowns didn't design Line 6 for Toronto's relatively mild winters, then that's their fault. Higher order transit should be depended upon moreso than cars during a blizzard. This is common sense in Russia and Northeast China. Stop making me compare a wealthy liberal democracy with plenty of human capital to places that are decidedly not.
The Finns and the Swiss get it. And look at that, they are wealthy liberal democracies. Looks like not all aristocrats grow weak chins.
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Bordercollie
Senior Member
There is no justification to spend billions of dollars on a system that is slower, and less reliable than the bus it replaced.
Should have just stuck with buses if that's the case.
urbanclient
Active Member
"Probably the most in single day for a while" they said.
A short view back to the past. Thirty years ago—I mean three weeks ago:
Get ready for round 3 everyone... We're barely halfway through January.
lastcommodore
New Member
A couple things can be true at the same time.
- 6 went completely down. That is a catastrophic failure. There's frankly no way service can get worse than "literally nothing".
- 1, 2, and 4 were online. They continued to bring riders to destinations.
- There were significant delays at times, especially on 2. That's also a failure, but objectively worse than if 2 just totally shut down. People can work around delayed transit. It's far harder to work around no transit.
- 2 has since recovered. 6 is still offline. [1]
- If 6 was a subway, this probably wouldn't've happened.
- 6 is probably not down because LRTs are incapable of handling this weather, given ION is still running. Either operational or infrastructural reasons shut down this line. I don't really know if this failure is due to operational issues (TTC thinks its "too risky" or just has no clue how to clear snow off ROW) or infra reasons, but I dont believe it's a technology issue (though LRT is just objectively harder to keep well-operational in this weather)
- This is not really acceptable. The impact is much smaller because this is some minor line, but rapid transit that just doesn't work in bad weather is really bad.
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- 6 went completely down. That is a catastrophic failure. There's frankly no way service can get worse than "literally nothing".
- 1, 2, and 4 were online. They continued to bring riders to destinations.
- There were significant delays at times, especially on 2. That's also a failure, but objectively worse than if 2 just totally shut down. People can work around delayed transit. It's far harder to work around no transit.
- 2 has since recovered. 6 is still offline. [1]
- If 6 was a subway, this probably wouldn't've happened.
- 6 is probably not down because LRTs are incapable of handling this weather, given ION is still running. Either operational or infrastructural reasons shut down this line. I don't really know if this failure is due to operational issues (TTC thinks its "too risky" or just has no clue how to clear snow off ROW) or infra reasons, but I dont believe it's a technology issue (though LRT is just objectively harder to keep well-operational in this weather)
- This is not really acceptable. The impact is much smaller because this is some minor line, but rapid transit that just doesn't work in bad weather is really bad.
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Bordercollie
Senior Member
Apparently they didn't plow the snow so the trains couldn't get out of the yard.
And the switches was an issue.
The sheer incompetence is mind boggling.
lastcommodore
New Member
Haha. Just before I saw your reply I had edited my post with "Either operational or infrastructural reasons shut down this line. I don't really know if this failure is due to operational issues (TTC thinks its "too risky" or just has no clue how to clear snow off ROW) or infra reasons, but I dont believe it's a technology issue (though LRT is just objectively harder to keep well-operational in this weather)"
I suppose I win, it's both.
urbanclient
Active Member
This is genuinely asinine, the Line 1, 2 and 4 trains are also parked in, get this, uncovered yards exposed to weather. If they didn't solve trains getting stuck in the yard 72 years ago, then Ye Olde Yonge Subway would've never had service after snow.
hawc
Senior Member
This is how rail yards keep switches from freezing.
Do it on Line 6.
Finch would be fire.
Do it on Line 6.
Finch would be fire.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
For any Line 6 (and maybe Line 5, after it opens), they should compare it with the Waterloo and Ottawa LRTs. Just to see it Metrolinx used the problems and "fixes" on Line 6 (and Line 5), or not. Maybe expand it other LRTs in Canada as well, to see how Metrolinx is not doing it properly.