nfitz
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Departures from 7 AM to 7 PM?
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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)
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chrisw
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There's no full quote on "up to 25", it's just used in the title and first line.
Voltz
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I guess that could mean not routing through downtown Peterborough, and maybe an Ottawa bypass.
micheal_can
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I am thinking that they are planning to have peak times be around a 30minute service, not 30minute service from the first and last train. However, 25 trains a day at 30 minute service is 12.5.hours from first and last train.
generalcanada
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without seeing the transcript of his speech, it very well could have been mentioned
CapitalSeven
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There's a bypass route through Ottawa that would save 5 km but it would cost hundreds of millions to upgrade it. I suspect it means coast thru Ottawa Union at 80 kph and save the 10 minutes or so a stop involves. As for Peterborough, I think they are going to have to listen carefully to the locals about what they want and then figure what will work.
Edit: Actually no, the bypass that they seemed to be considering a few years back for HFR would not be of much use if, as seems likely, they use the abandoned corridor straight east from the station.
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kEiThZ
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30 minute headways at certain peak hours. Rest of the time would probably be hourly or every 45 mins. Let's say there are 8 hrs per day of semi-hourly service and another 8 hrs a day of hourly service that works out to about 25 departures.
Ottawa won't be skipped. I think the Express train is most likely to stop at every major urban station. So no suburban stations and maybe skip Peterborough.
I also don't think they'll build city bypasses. They might build station bypass tracks that lets train blast through or by a station. The cost to bypass an entire city is stupid and not justifiable by time saved.
lenaitch
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So you interpret that statement as Ottawa not being included as a large city?
kEiThZ
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People are so conditioned by current VIA split service and by the Montreal fixation for Torontonians that they consistently think the national capital is some village. It's what leads to grouping Ottawa with Peterborough. Just ignore the >1M difference in CMA population between the two.
lrt's friend
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There are public meetings in Ottawa on January 21 and 22. I hope to go.
An Ottawa bypass is plain stupid if it means a 30 minute or longer ride into downtown on local transit. Possibly in the very long term, a bypass might exist for a minority of Express trains but this becomes less likely if they are considering using the abandoned CPR right of way between Ottawa and Rigaud that connects directly into Ottawa station
An Ottawa bypass is plain stupid if it means a 30 minute or longer ride into downtown on local transit. Possibly in the very long term, a bypass might exist for a minority of Express trains but this becomes less likely if they are considering using the abandoned CPR right of way between Ottawa and Rigaud that connects directly into Ottawa station
Voltz
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No, but with the service levels that seem to be planned a few express trains that go around Ottawa at full speed would still leave enough service for Ottawa while saving time for Toronto to Montreal peak trips. Could throw in an Ottawa to Quebec City all stops service on top of that.
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crs1026
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I can't imagine what could be gained by building a "bypass" around the Ottawa depot. Are we that worried that the route through the station cannot be used by a non-stopping train? Or that passengers' experience would be tainted by a glimpse of Ottawa station?
I don't interpret the report as suggesting that trains will roll through without a stop, but even if they do, nothing wrong with their glimpsing the station as they pass.
- Paul
I don't interpret the report as suggesting that trains will roll through without a stop, but even if they do, nothing wrong with their glimpsing the station as they pass.
- Paul
MisterF
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The sooner the alignment is finalized and publicly known the sooner we can stop with all this Ottawa bypass talk.
There's almost as much travel demand to Ottawa as there is to Montreal. Express trains will almost certainly serve Ottawa just as they serve Toronto and Montreal.
goodcitywhenfinished
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Star article today on the Alto CEOS' talk to the Ottawa Board of Trade:
Up to 25 trains per day planned for Toronto to Quebec high-speed rail
Project officials are pledging to cut travel times in half with electrified trains travelling at speeds in excess of 300 kilometres an hour.www.thestar.com
Interesting that the language has changed from maximum speed of 300km/h to “speeds in excess of 300 kilometres an hour”
I suspect the consortium is pushing for higher speeds than originally planned by the crown corporation.
In my mind 350km/h would be “world class” HSR as of 2026. However, by 2037 I suspect 400km/h operation speeds will be the leading edge of HSR technology. China is planning to put the CR450 into service this year, which is designed to operate at 400km/h with top speed of 450km/h.
kEiThZ
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The demand between Ottawa and Montreal would skyrocket with the proposed travel times too. Makes zero sense not to have express trains stop in Ottawa and have pax swap out.
Discussions about bypassing Ottawa just show how ignorant Canadian railfans can be. Who the hell would build a line costing tens of billions and not to stop in one of the largest metros in the country, second largest metro in the province and national capital? Skipping Peterborough on some runs? Maybe? Ottawa? No. I would be surprised if there's a single Toronto-Montreal train that skips Ottawa.