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Finch West Line 6 LRT

The costs are high because we have lost the ability to do things in house in North America. There is a continual push to outsource risk and expertise. If the TTC or Metrolinx don't know how much it would cost to have their own people do it then all estimates seem "reasonable". In addition because everything is outsourced the legal and procurement costs are higher. Often work is outsourced to third, fourth, and fifth parties all profiting from a companies risk aversion and inability to do their own work. If you do it yourself you only pay for the salaries and materials... the biggest risk becomes scope creep but that is essentially in your control to manage. Some scope creep, like a need to have faster travel, is good.
 
The costs are high because we have lost the ability to do things in house in North America. There is a continual push to outsource risk and expertise. If the TTC or Metrolinx don't know how much it would cost to have their own people do it then all estimates seem "reasonable". In addition because everything is outsourced the legal and procurement costs are higher. Often work is outsourced to third, fourth, and fifth parties all profiting from a companies risk aversion and inability to do their own work. If you do it yourself you only pay for the salaries and materials... the biggest risk becomes scope creep but that is essentially in your control to manage. Some scope creep, like a need to have faster travel, is good.
Outside of North America, they do it "inhouse". Keeping the costs down, keeping the expertise, and keeping the knowledge resources available. Here, we have to reinvent everything from scratch.
 
Outside of North America, they do it "inhouse". Keeping the costs down, keeping the expertise, and keeping the knowledge resources available. Here, we have to reinvent everything from scratch.
Well in order to retain those expertise, they need to have enough tasks to keep them around, make the feel like it’s the best place to stay and continue and pay them enough so they don’t move on. On top of that, they must manage them well. North TTC and ML don’t seem to be able to do that, especially not having enough operating expenses to even support such an initiative. Then you gotta have a good boss unlike Mr. Meanie that made everyone leave. Yeah. I don’t see happening here.
 
Can we please put this discourse to rest already?
Never.

Article was a big eye roller. No one ever claimed that building subways would be cheap and easy. They're worth the extra cost once up and running.

John Michael McGrath should go to Montreal and ride the REM, and then come back to Toronto and ride the Finch West LRT. The deficiencies of Line 6 will become so painfully obvious.
 
John Michael McGrath should go to Montreal and ride the REM, and then come back to Toronto and ride the Finch West LRT. The deficiencies of Line 6 will become so painfully obvious.
And then what? He'll feel bad about it?

He'll tear the tracks out with his bare hands?
 
More commentary here, this time from TVO's John Michael McGrath:

ANALYSIS: Let’s pump the brakes on talk of ‘subways, subways, subways’ in Toronto

Now that the Finch West LRT is open, various people have decided to relitigate the decision to build light rail. Can we please put this discourse to rest already?
I'm going to link this highly upvoted comment from @Northern Light in response to your partisan comment:

Its not a great piece by John Michael.

He completely ignores the question of what people want (speed as example); and how you do or don't get there.

His entire thesis amounts to Finch was never going to be a subway and LRT is better than a bus.

Except, in this case, as operated, it is not.

Facts matter.

He's right to pillory the way in which transit was handled by various pols, both municipal and provincial.

He'd be on solid ground if he said its possible to do LRT better. (it is)

But he just gives the Miller era plan, such as it was (lines on a map) a free pass, ignoring that it didn't set any real technical standards to achieve that align with public expectations.

It reads a bit as though one were saying..... we proposed and 1/2 built this terrible public housing with prison-like architecture, terrible layout and unit sizes and poor neighbourhood plan, because we can't give everyone a Bridle Path address; as if there isn't something between those two points.

Finch wasn't going to be a subway (agreed), equally we can't do subways to everywhere. But we have to ask why are we building this transit? To which the answer ought to be, some variation of to better connect people to the places they need and want to go, faster, more frequently ,with greater comfort and ease.

Any number of choices of rolling stock , power , platform heights etc. may help achieve these goals at various price points. We certainly need to be judicious w/the dollars in question. But in saying as much, that means not spending money on projects that don't serve ALL of the above goals.
 
well I recently got a new job in the Jane & Finch area & see the lrt being used daily. Looks good to me while driving neway, the stops are much better than the crosstown surface section. Hopefully the line gets better over time with TSP
 
well I recently got a new job in the Jane & Finch area & see the lrt being used daily. Looks good to me while driving neway, the stops are much better than the crosstown surface section. Hopefully the line gets better over time with TSP
Congratulations on your new job!
Out of curiosity, how are the stops better, assuming you mean the platform stations and shelters, which I presume would be similar since they were built around the same time?
 
I don't remember where I heard it but apparently having an aggressive TSP and increased frequency could negatively impact traffic/bus routes on intersecting streets such as Albion, Islington, Weston, and Jane. That's more a long term problem (LRT not to frequent now, we don't have an aggressive TSP, and we don't know if ridership will increase) but I feel like it was poor planning on Metrolinx part not to take that into consideration when planning the line.
 
More commentary here, this time from TVO's John Michael McGrath:

ANALYSIS: Let’s pump the brakes on talk of ‘subways, subways, subways’ in Toronto

Now that the Finch West LRT is open, various people have decided to relitigate the decision to build light rail. Can we please put this discourse to rest already?
Absolutely not. We also have a right to be heard and push for what we want. And that's in line with what most of Torontonians want. We wasted money on a system that should have never been built in Toronto, and it's people like me that organized and pushed to kill any consideration of more LRTs on Sheppard and continues to push for no more of these slow overpriced streetcars that do not have place in Toronto that are only wanted by short sighted geezers who are fine with snail like travel times at half the cost of a subway, but not even close to 10% the value of a subway. And quite frankly, the public agrees and the political sentiment is leaning in the same direction. So no, Absolutely Not.
 
Latest post by Michael Lindsay with some details about the switches.

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John Michael McGrath should go to Montreal and ride the REM, and then come back to Toronto and ride the Finch West LRT. The deficiencies of Line 6 will become so painfully obvious.
I don't see how the two lines are comparable. The latter is souping up a commuter rail line - much more comparable to the Ontario line than anything else.

Surely Line 6 in Toronto is more comparable to the promised Lines 8, 10, and 11 that the government promised in 1984. How's the ride on those 3 lines?
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This figure should probably be updated to show that Metro Côte-Vertu has since been completed - in 1986 - it's still shown as under construction here. I wonder if the new Metro Vertières is designed to add platforms for Line 7 one day.
 
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Absolutely not. We also have a right to be heard and push for what we want. And that's in line with what most of Torontonians want. We wasted money on a system that should have never been built in Toronto, and it's people like me that organized and pushed to kill any consideration of more LRTs on Sheppard and continues to push for no more of these slow overpriced streetcars that do not have place in Toronto that are only wanted by short sighted geezers who are fine with snail like travel times at half the cost of a subway, but not even close to 10% the value of a subway. And quite frankly, the public agrees and the political sentiment is leaning in the same direction. So no, Absolutely Not.
I'm pro subway but the city would never build an entire line to Humber college! If it was a subway I think it was only supposed to go to Jane. Look at the cancelled Eglinton line? it would only go from Cedarvale to black creek.
 
Latest post by Michael Lindsay with some details about the switches.

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basically building LRT's like our streetcar system (embedded rail, in the centre of the lane) was a mistake.

but thats what we do in Toronto. Do things the Toronto way! Oh, someone else did it better elsewhere? Put those blinders on folks, because the only way is the Toronto way!
 

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