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President Donald Trump's United States of America
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Full Metal Junkie
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Well, I don't think they run polls on completely unrealistic scenarios and wishful thinking. But here is a fresh Gallup poll from less than a month ago that is the closest thing to the question you are looking to answer, and you might be surprised by the responses:
So, to this day Americans think that Biden will go down in history as one of the worst presidents, almost as bad as Nixon and a lot worse than George W Bush. As for Trump? Meh, but not nearly as bad in their opinion.
DNC has gone out of their way to destroy every single progressive candidate at every primary that ever happened. Why would the party beholden to corporate interests, paid for and run by corporate money, why would they ever do something as counter-productive to their donors as running a progressive candidate? And if you think that they actually want to do the right thing or they actually want to win the elections, you are sorely mistaken. Winning elections is not their goal. Representing their base is not their goal. Doing the right thing is not their goal. Their goal is to collect enough donor paychecks. Progressive candidates get in the way of doing that.
And for the record, I also wish they ran a true progressive candidate and not a corporate shill masquerading as a once-progressive-now-turned-centrist, like Harris. But alas, for the reasons outlined above, that's not going to happen.
UtakataNoAnnex
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It's probably suffice to say that this isn't about immigration anymore...
EBT
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By this logic Switzerland should dismantle its famous and formidable civil defense force since there is no way it could repel an invasion by Germany and or France and Italy. The fact is Switzerland's famous civil defense structure has been able to repel much larger armies for centuries.
Civil defense should be the sole focus for Canada. We should completely do away with expeditionary forces. What are they good for? Why does the Canadian Navy have vessels in the South China sea? Is NATO even relevant now that Trump has threatened to invade Greenland? I think about all the Canadian soldiers who died or were gravely injured fighting for the United States in Afghanistan. They gave their lives for an ungrateful nation ruled today by a deranged psychopathic president who has taken a sledgehammer to our economy and who has never had a single good thing to say about Canada or the sacrifices made by our soldiers who served in Afghanistan.
The objective should be to deter any attempt at an invasion of Canada by the Americans by making the losses in terms of American blood and treasure too great to make it worth it for even an unhinged lunatic like Trump and while we are at it, we need to get nuclear weapons ASAP, like yesterday!
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thettctransitfanatic
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Admiral Beez
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Even if it didn't help this chap, if I was brown or Latino and a citizen in the US I’d obtain and always carry my passport. If I was in the US on a valid Green Card, work or student visa, I would be planning to return to my home country asap.
And, if I was residing in the US illegally, I'd GTFO.
Lennox970
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I think @evandyk is spot on, Canada could never defend itself from the US. A very salient point was made in a Steve Paiken podcast last month: Trump is effectively calling Canada (and Greenland) out about holding sovereignty over a land mass without being able to defend it. I have always presumed the Americans would bail us (and Denmark) out should the Arctic be challenged by a third-party nation (in any scenario). Given significant challenges elsewhere, perhaps Trump would rather Canada be able to defend itself henceforth?
IMHO, Canada has two options. The first is what we have always done, and just ignore American calls to improve our defence. Both Obama and Bush gave us a very similar message (though in a much nicer tone), and we gave them the old Canadian stiff-ignoring, back to complacency.
Alternatively, we could get the finger out and start taking our sovereignty seriously by funding and building credible defence forces (check out what Australia, with one-third less population, can do). If we value and prioritize national defence as a means of securiting and legitimizing our territorial sovereignty, we might eventually get a different message from Washington.
evandyk
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LOL at the thought that defending your small mountainous country against Germany or France is the same as defending your vast, mostly empty, country against the United States.
I think we should strengthen our defences against the real threats we face. The US is not a real threat, and if it ever became one, we would have no way to repel them.
I think we should strengthen our defences against the real threats we face. The US is not a real threat, and if it ever became one, we would have no way to repel them.
Admiral Beez
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Much of Canada would grab their second passport and flee.
Lennox970
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kEiThZ
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They'll never do that. The UN being in New York is advantageous in many ways. Not least of which is the massive intelligence collection that happens.
But also, the US is now treating the UN with exactly the same contempt as say Russia and China. Remember when Saudi Arabia was on the Human Rights Committee? So now the US simply doesn't want to bother with the charade. The good thing here is that if you dislike the US, you should see this as an opportunity for all these organizations to be a lot more effective, unencumbered by American obstructionism.
There's also this. A lot of countries love talking about how important the UN is, until it's time to pay up. The Chinese have stepped up recently in no small part because they realize that if the UN collapses, they actually lose more than the US. This funding is also why the UN won't be leaving New York anytime soon.
kEiThZ
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A good chunk of this forum spends more time on American politics than Canadian politics. They'll grudgingly become DSA activists after taking up US citizenship.
Full Metal Junkie
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They'll never do that. The UN being in New York is advantageous in many ways. Not least of which is the massive intelligence collection that happens.
But also, the US is now treating the UN with exactly the same contempt as say Russia and China. Remember when Saudi Arabia was on the Human Rights Committee? So now the US simply doesn't want to bother with the charade. The good thing here is that if you dislike the US, you should see this as an opportunity for all these organizations to be a lot more effective, unencumbered by American obstructionism.
There's also this. A lot of countries love talking about how important the UN is, until it's time to pay up. The Chinese have stepped up recently in no small part because they realize that if the UN collapses, they actually lose more than the US. This funding is also why the UN won't be leaving New York anytime soon.
Add to that the fact that no country with a permanent seat on the UN security council will ever give that up. What, we can start any war we'd like and have a veto power to stop any/all UN intervention? Yes, please!
Monarch Butterfly
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Pope rebukes Trump's 'dominion' over Venezuela
From https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/pope-rebukes-trump-s-dominion-over-venezuela/ar-AA1TTHV0
Towered
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Thankfully I've got an EU passport too!