Toronto Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown West Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

[goodcitywhenfinished]

I think it was already confirmed that every new Metrolinx project will include PSDs, including the SSE and YNSE.

SSE will include platform space and conduit connections for platform screen doors, but I don’t believe they are going to be installed in the stations & systems contract.

 

[TOtramz]

Since the contract for the stations hasn't been signed yet, could a potentially different government save some money and build less underground stations? The tunnel is already there so maybe that could be done, but maybe the design specs make that impossible to do.

 

[NoahB]

SSE will include platform space and conduit connections for platform screen doors, but I don’t believe they are going to be installed in the stations & systems contract.

Yeah. ATC needs to be installed before platform screen doors can be. SSE will get ATC as part of the line 2 ATC upgrades. It is a separate unfunded project according to Steve Munro.

This probably means that the SSE will get platform screen doors even later than the core of Line 2, if ever.

Will the Crosstown West extension have PSDs? They are probably technically capable. Alstom has done it before with the Dubai Tram, for example.

 

[W. K. Lis]

When designed, the stations for the extension should include dual elevators. So that hopefully one elevator will be operating when the other is out-of-service for maintenance. Else they'll need a parallel surface bus to handle accessibility.

Likely, the stations will be deep since the bored tunnels will be deep, not shallow cut-and-cover tunnels. Meaning the stairs or escalators will be l-o-n-g, if the elevator (singular) is not working.

(More elevators, the higher the price tag. Plus HST.)

 

[drum118]

When designed, the stations for the extension should include dual elevators. So that hopefully one elevator will be operating when the other is out-of-service for maintenance. Else they'll need a parallel surface bus to handle accessibility.

Likely, the stations will be deep since the bored tunnels will be deep, not shallow cut-and-cover tunnels. Meaning the stairs or escalators will be l-o-n-g, if the elevator (singular) is not working.

(More elevators, the higher the price tag. Plus HST.)

Expect in the coming years, transit systems that have one elevator now will be forced to installed a second now the OADA is in effect by lawsuits by the accessibility community.

Fully support any legal actions to get that second/third elevator in as I been calling for this for over a decade as its discriminating against the people who need it in the first place as well force them to go to another station to get to the surface and then try to get back to their station when there is no transit to do it. I don't need the use of an elevator in the first place and have seen far too many cases where the accessibility community have major issues trying to use transit in the first place.

ML and TTC will have a real problem to come up with funds for those extra elevators and timeline to do it based on the current cost and timeframe for putting in that one elevator the last 15 years.

Those new stations better have two when construction starts on them.

 

[crs1026]

The stations on the Eglinton extension are pretty bare bones…. Perhaps too bare bones. The need to cross busy streets to get to the entrance is regrettable - it would not be bad economics to have more underground paths and entrances on all four corners at each station.

- Paul

 

[W. K. Lis]

The stations on the Eglinton extension are pretty bare bones…. Perhaps too bare bones. The need to cross busy streets to get to the entrance is regrettable - it would not be bad economics to have more underground paths and entrances on all four corners at each station.

- Paul

Can't have underground paths because it would be $$$ for public transit, and the powers-that-be can't do that.

So what about "pedestrian refuge islands" instead of the misnamed "safety islands"? With "beg" buttons.

The crossings should be a car length setback away from the corners. So that a turning vehicle can stop at the crossing but be clear of the cross traffic. (Doubt Toronto would go with roundabouts.)

 

[Dr. Snoot]

Roundabouts are good for cars, but pretty terrible for pedestrians.

They take up more room than a controlled intersection, devoting more space to vehicles. The crossings are usually longer. Worst of all, there is no requirement for vehicles to stop on entry or exit, leading to uncertainty and conflicts.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Roundabouts are safer

• Lower speeds: Roundabouts have curved approaches that reduce vehicle speed.
• Reduced conflict points: Roundabouts have a counterclockwise flow around a central island, which reduces conflict points.
• Entry yield control: Roundabouts give right-of-way to circulating traffic.
• Decrease severe accidents: Roundabouts decrease right-angle, left-angle, and head-on crashes.

Benefits of roundabouts

• Reduce serious and fatal crashes: According to the Federal Highway Administration (.gov), roundabouts can reduce serious and fatal injury crashes by 90% when replacing a stop-sign-controlled intersection.
• Improve operational performance: Roundabouts can reduce delay and queuing.
• Create a more suitable environment for walking and bicycling: Roundabouts have lower vehicular speeds and reduced conflict

From https://www.epermittest.com/drivers-education/roundabouts

Driving Through A Single-lane Roundabout​

1. 
   Approaching the roundabout.
   Slow down before approaching the roundabout. If you see any pedestrians about to cross or crossing the street, let them pass before going through the crosswalk, pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way at a roundabout. Proceed past the crosswalk once it is safe to do so. Make sure you are able to clear the crosswalk, blocking a pedestrian crossing is a traffic violation you can be cited for.
   
   
2. 
   Yield to vehicles and cyclists that are already on the roundabout.
   Enter a gap in traffic when you see one. Remember, you have to move in a counterclockwise direction.
   
   
3. 
   Proceed to the desired exit.
   Don't try to pass anyone at the roundabout and avoid stopping.
   
   
4. 
   Signal your intent to exit the roundabout.
   Use your turn indicators or hand signals if the indicators are malfunctioning. If there are pedestrians crossing the street at a roundabout exit, stop and yield to them before going through.

 

[W. K. Lis]

After the Line 5 extension opens, the speed limit on Eglinton Avenue West (at least between Martin Grove Road and eastward) should be lowered to 50 km/h from the current 60 km/h. For the safety of pedestrians.

Unless vetoed by (Mayor) Doug Ford.

 

[Steve X]

I don't know why we are bringing up roundabouts for Eglinton. It's clearly not suitable for TO gridlock traffic. Especially rush hour.

TO really might need to do what big cities do in East Asian and embrace pedestrian bridges/tunnels.

 

[Undead]

Hey guys this discussion is better suited for the Roads thread.

 

[Towered]

After the Line 5 extension opens, the speed limit on Eglinton Avenue West (at least between Martin Grove Road and eastward) should be lowered to 50 km/h from the current 60 km/h. For the safety of pedestrians.

Unless vetoed by (Mayor) Doug Ford.

There are no pedestrians on Eglinton. Barely any shops or businesses either. No need to lower the limit there.

 

[W. K. Lis]

There are no pedestrians on Eglinton. Barely any shops or businesses either. No need to lower the limit there.

At the moment.

Plans for the Eglinton West area, particularly with the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension project, prioritize improved pedestrian access with new stations, wider sidewalks, accessible pathways, and enhanced pedestrian crossings along Eglinton Avenue West, aiming to make walking more convenient and safer for residents in the area; this includes features like curb extensions, pedestrian head start signals, and improved street lighting.

Expect more street front stores. For example, Nottingham Hill Condominium 4000 Eglinton Ave W is to be a MIXED-USE development.

 

[crs1026]

There are no pedestrians on Eglinton. Barely any shops or businesses either. No need to lower the limit there.

There will be considerable pedestrian traffic at major intersections, transferring between the LRT and surface bus routes.

- Paul