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I suspect we will see many leadership candidates who lack the Trudeau government baggage. Mark Carney and former BC Premier Christy Clark are considered likely candidates.
The sooner Mark Carney's name is smudged out of our collective thoughts the better. The man's never held a seat in any elected office nor ever run for an election, and we're going to drop him into the leader's seat as a presumptive PM? Have Carney contest a seat in the upcoming election and then (after whomever replaces Trudeau is destroyed) enter is his name for leadership contention.

One potential candidate who I think would be formidable is former Innovation Minister Navdeep Bains.
That would be noteworthy to have Sikhs as leaders of both the NDP and Liberals. I recall Trudeau, IIRC jibbing Modi that he had more Sikh MPs than he did. Let's toss out Pollivre for Deputy Leader Tim Uppal for a near complete set.
 
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The sooner Mark Carney's name is smudged out of our collective thoughts the better. The man's never held a seat in any elected office nor ever run for an election, and we're going to drop him into the leader's seat as a presumptive PM? Have Carney contest a seat in the upcoming election and then (after whomever replaces Trudeau is destroyed) enter is his name for leadership contention.

It’s going to be a disaster for the Liberals next election, so many of the Liberal MPs jockeying for the leadership are going to first have to keep their seats.

Anita Anand is likely to lose her seat in Oakville, Freeland will face heavier competition from the NDP and Liberals in University-Rosedale, and François-Philippe Champagne could be vulnerable in his Quebec riding.

Finding a “safe Liberal” riding for Carney to run in will be no small feat.
 
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I wonder if things would be different in terms of policy and direction if Gerald Butts was still principal secretary, or if people magically lose their senses when they enter the Prime Minister's inner circle.


What can you say about the events of last Monday here in the Nation’s Capital? The spectacle of Chrystia Freeland taking Justin Trudeau out with the calculated precision of a Ukrainian drone strike had pundits and politicos reaching for their Shakespeare. Fitting, since both principals are now more likely to die (politically), and the scene set the stage for a perilous final act of the Liberal Party’s second Trudeau era.

Ms. Freeland is basking in the afterglow of an admittedly courageous act of politics. Her team feels it has done its party and country a favour by ringing a loud buzzer alarm into the ear of a Prime Minister who was sleepwalking toward electoral oblivion. They believe she will be thanked for it with his job.

I’m not so sure.

Our practice at Eurasia Group when examining moments like this is to ask simple questions: so what? What does this change? What material but previously less likely events are now more likely to occur because this happened? With respect to the fallout from the Trudeau-Freeland political breakup, those consequences are clear: Mr. Trudeau was unlikely to lead the Liberal Party into the next election and is now much less likely to do so. That election will probably come sooner rather than later, and the odds of it producing a Conservative majority government are materially greater than they were before the events of 16 December.

In short, what happened on Monday was Bad News for the Liberal Party.

In happier times, Mr. Trudeau was a scrappy young leader with an admirable sense of optimism about both his country and his party. He had an almost unimaginable appetite for the hard work needed to convince both that politics could deliver real change, that better is always possible. His diagnosis was simple: progress had stalled, the economy sucked for regular people, and government could help the middle class with measured and thoughtful policy. The agenda that grew out of his instincts (the Canada Child Benefit, Canada Pension Plan enrichment, middle class tax cut) helped him deliver an unprecedented election victory in 2015.

An agenda is words on paper until gifted proponents breathe life into it through politics. Chrystia Freeland was the first person recruited to Team Trudeau to help shape that agenda and make it real for people. A farmer’s daughter from Peace River Country who triumphed at Harvard and Oxford. A gifted journalist who knows how to tell a story so that it captures your imagination. A Financial Times Executive who championed the middle class. No wonder we on the OG Team Trudeau spent such time and energy to bring her on board. She was the charter member of Team Trudeau.

The mission was to convince Canadians that the Liberal Party had learned from its mistakes. In 2012, most Canadians believed it had stopped caring about regular people and thought only of itself. It was more interested in settling scores than delivering progress. Parties fail to clock important events when they’re too introspective. The Liberal Party was clinging to the 1990s elite economic consensus in the post-Great Financial Crisis (GFC) era, when the country faced a whole host of new and pressing problems.

Trudeau and Freeland changed the party together. Hard as it may be to believe after a decade in power, they were once outsiders with independent standing. They invested that status in building a stunningly successful political movement. But government grinds, energetic outsiders become cloistered elites, and voters leave.

Most political partnerships end in tears, but if you were to ask me to name two politicians likely to avoid that fate, I’d have been hard-pressed to name likelier candidates than Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland. I’m not sure whether Donald Trump or the pandemic was harder to manage, but they did both together. Yet, here we are. They have put their party right back into the position in which they found it. If the definition of a scientific law is that if something is true, it is true everywhere, at all times, then maybe there’s some science to politics after all.

The stakes are much higher now. If voters were skeptical of the elite consensus in 2015, they fed it into a woodchipper in 2024. We are of course focused on the chaos agents about to take power in the United States, but liberal democracies from Germany and France to South Korea and Brazil are enduring disruptions unprecedented since the end of the Cold War. Democracy’s external adversaries are both fuelling this fire and cheering it on. From billionaire tech bros in Northern California to neo-Nazis in Germany, there is no shortage of Useful Idiots for the Vladimir Putins and Xi Jinpings of the world.

These chaos agents have a lot of material to work with. Millions of people still suffering unacknowledged trauma from the pandemic were battered by inflation and have turned on their governments. We are a decade deeper into a changed climate era, and fossil energy interests are fighting the decarbonization with renewed vigour and capital. Incumbents feel like so many deer in these bright headlights. None seem able to muster the main-character energy required to plant their flag and fight.

This is the context in which the Liberal Party of Canada will choose its next leader.

This advice is worth what you paid for it, but if you’ve read through to this point I suspect you’re a Liberal looking for guidance. If, as is now widely expected, Mr. Trudeau’s resignation is imminent, the only way forward is a real leadership race. I respect and admire my friend Eddie Goldenberg, but I couldn’t disagree more with his argument that Liberals should capitalize on the sensation generated by Ms. Freeland’s resignation to anoint her—or anyone else—leader. It will confirm Canadians’ worst instincts about the party. “There’s no time for democracy” is a tell of an argument.

It’s also bad strategy. If you want to know who can play hockey, put on a hockey game. It doesn’t matter who you think you support at this moment, we’ll all have a more seasoned view if we see these people in live action. Competitions create better competitors. In politics, leadership campaigns make for better general election campaign teams. They train people, test ideas, build resilience.

Liberals are going to need all of this and then some in 2025. Ten years after Mr. Trudeau’s victory in 2015, the party is back to square one: tied for 2nd/3rd in the polls with NDP, far behind the Conservatives. And when the next leader looks over at the other bench, she or he will see an opponent who has put in his reps. Say what you want about Pierre Poilievre, the man has never skipped leg day. He is going to be a tough assignment. Liberals owe it to Canadians to give him a more difficult contest than the open-ice skate he’s currently enjoying.

The party rose from the deathbed Canadians consigned it to in 2011 because it learned from its mistakes. There is no natural governing party in Canada. No law of nature safeguards the Liberal Party’s continuance. Canadians are wise people who will not take kindly to watching a handful of apparatchiks choose their Prime Minister. If Liberals arrogate that right to a few hundred people in Ottawa, I hope they’re alert to the risk that they could be selecting the party’s last leader.
 
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It's looking increasing likely that Trudeau is not going to be leading the liberal party into the next election.
That's for the best, as the resulting solid Conservative majority will give us better position with the US, compared to a fractious, unstable minority parliament with the leader having to content with keeping coalitions satisfied. I am also pleased with the premiers we have for the coming trade and security talks with the US, even DoFo, smh but true. The likes of Doug Ford and Danielle Smith are more likely to connect positively with MAGA Republicans compared to Mother Wynne types.

It's just too bad that it took the election of Trump for Ottawa to finally get serious about immigration, migration, TFWs, student visas and border security.
 
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How is Pierre Poilievre going to deal with the supply management question when negotiating with Doanld Trump?
We’ll see. The position is that the US federal and state govts heavily subsidize farmers while letting prices follow the market, while in Canada the federal and provincial governments support cartels and price fixing while providing far less subsidies. If we ditch the cartels and price fixing Canadian farmers will be demanding subsidies or be forced to sell out their operations to private equity and foreign corps who can consolidate and rip out costs.

Pollievre’s position seems firm enough.

 
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We’ll see. The position is that the US federal and state govts heavily subsidize farmers while letting prices follow the market, while in Canada the federal and provincial governments support cartels and price fixing while providing far less subsidies. If we ditch the cartels and price fixing Canadian farmers will be demanding subsidies or be forced to sell out their operations to private equity and foreign corps who can consolidate and rip out costs.

Pollievre’s position seems firm enough.


There is a healthy middle ground.

But that should not be reached for the benefit of the U.S. but for the benefit of Canadian consumers and industry.

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The negatives for Canada of the existing system are clear enough.

They go beyond high consumer prices and some quality/selection issues that occur from constrained competition. Those those are a real issue just the same.

The Federal government controls the de facto wholesale price via the Canadian Dairy Commission, even rolling back the one particularly unjustifiably large increase during the pandemic (equiv. to about .20c a pound for butter) would drop the price by ~.80c per pound retail. There would be similar reductions to scale for milk, cheese etc.

Canadian dairy heard sizes are much smaller than the U.S. by also vary widely by province. Without going full-on factory farming, there's room to up herd size and the government could both incent this and mandate it.

I've seen more recent stats, which are a bit higher, but here's a look at 2015:

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Source: Wikipedia

* I was able to find the national numbers for 2022, which saw an increase to 100 head, on average, for Canada.

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For comparison, in 2022, the average herd in the U.S. was 377 head.

If we could simply lift the pan-Canadian average to ~150, I think we'd see some real savings and competitiveness improvement.

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Consumer prices aside, because we severely limit entry of foreign product, other countries do this to us as well.

Canada has the land mass and water resources to be among the most competitive producers, we are world leaders in many agricultural areas, notably:

Wheat, Soy, Mustard, Canola, and.... Pork (tied for 3rd in the world)

I see no reason we shouldn't be that competitive on chicken and eggs, for sure, and certainly we could do better w/dairy.

I think cracking the system open just a bit wider would make sense, we could do this with quality controls (hormone-free milk etc.) as well as reasonable caps.

I too fear a multi-billion dollar annual agricultural subsidy; but I do think we want to consider, how much of that we might recover via exports, profits and productivity gains, along with lower consumer prices.

Some degree of supply management makes sense, but the current version is just a bit too anti-competitive, a bit too lagging in productivity and results in prices that are just as bit too high, and selection that's just a bit too low.
 
I guess if you considering bending over a better position.
The merits of buggery aside, I’d be just as happy with a solid Liberal majority, though not with Trudeau as PM. The other three parties have no chance. We need a strong government to face off against the MAGA White House. Imagine the alternative, for instance with a minority government controlled by the BQ, where the US would divide and conquer by currying favour with Quebec to the detriment of other bickering regions of the country. No, we need a solid majority government of some ilk, asap.
 
There is a healthy middle ground.

But that should not be reached for the benefit of the U.S. but for the benefit of Canadian consumers and industry.

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The negatives for Canada of the existing system are clear enough.

They go beyond high consumer prices and some quality/selection issues that occur from constrained competition. Those those are a real issue just the same.

The Federal government controls the de facto wholesale price via the Canadian Dairy Commission, even rolling back the one particularly unjustifiably large increase during the pandemic (equiv. to about .20c a pound for butter) would drop the price by ~.80c per pound retail. There would be similar reductions to scale for milk, cheese etc.

Canadian dairy heard sizes are much smaller than the U.S. by also vary widely by province. Without going full-on factory farming, there's room to up herd size and the government could both incent this and mandate it.

I've seen more recent stats, which are a bit higher, but here's a look at 2015:

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Source: Wikipedia

* I was able to find the national numbers for 2022, which saw an increase to 100 head, on average, for Canada.

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For comparison, in 2022, the average herd in the U.S. was 377 head.

If we could simply lift the pan-Canadian average to ~150, I think we'd see some real savings and competitiveness improvement.

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Consumer prices aside, because we severely limit entry of foreign product, other countries do this to us as well.

Canada has the land mass and water resources to be among the most competitive producers, we are world leaders in many agricultural areas, notably:

Wheat, Soy, Mustard, Canola, and.... Pork (tied for 3rd in the world)

I see no reason we shouldn't be that competitive on chicken and eggs, for sure, and certainly we could do better w/dairy.

I think cracking the system open just a bit wider would make sense, we could do this with quality controls (hormone-free milk etc.) as well as reasonable caps.

I too fear a multi-billion dollar annual agricultural subsidy; but I do think we want to consider, how much of that we might recover via exports, profits and productivity gains, along with lower consumer prices.

Some degree of supply management makes sense, but the current version is just a bit too anti-competitive, a bit too lagging in productivity and results in prices that are just as bit too high, and selection that's just a bit too low.
There are other factors that play into herd sizes between the two countries. Canada is (roughly) 2% larger than the US, but the US is about 16% arable land vs about 4.5% for us. Also, the US allows artificial growth hormones in their dairy herds; we do not.
 
There are other factors that play into herd sizes between the two countries. Canada is (roughly) 2% larger than the US, but the US is about 16% arable land vs about 4.5% for us. Also, the US allows artificial growth hormones in their dairy herds; we do not.
And, I suspect private equity has a firm hold on US dairy with far fewer family-owned dairy farms. PE forces consolidation and scale.
 
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And, I suspect private equity has a firm hold on US dairy with far fewer family-owned dairy farms. PE forces consolidation and scale.

As of 2022 97% of U.S. Dairy remains family farms:


In Canada as of 2021, the number was 98%


Now, in both countries, those numbers are deceptive............

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On the U.S. side:

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I can't find a similar report for the Canadian sector. But I expect issues are similar, such that corporations may be buying up the farmland and leasing it back to a family farm corporation, or even supply the equipment etc.
 
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