Admiral Beez
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IMO, police misconduct must also include willful ignorance to criminal activity. Lack of conduct can be misconduct.
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Toronto Police Service Reformation
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trtcttc
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That would be extremely hard to enforce. It's very hard to prove someone saw/recognized something when they say they didn't. In the case above, if we start charging the cops, basically there will be willful ignorance. Unless you commit a crime directly in their line of sight, no cop would act and do any enforcement. Why risk any different interpretation of "reasonable search" when you can just do nothing at all?
Admiral Beez
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This trial needs to be tossed.
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Isn’t the entire point of police officers being undercover or in plain clothes so that the public will not recognize them as police officers? If so, plain clothes officers should never interact with the public in their official role. If plain clothes cops walked up to my car in a parking lot I’d be locking the doors and looking to escape. And if I saw them flash what they claim is a police badge ($5 at Party City), I’d call 911 and tell them to send a uniform officer here.
Toronto police procedure needs to be amended, so that plain clothes officers never approach the public in their official capacity unless they’re making an immediate arrest. Otherwise, your job is to observe in disguise, and if TPS interactions with the public are necessary, call in a uniformed officer.
‘They’re not dressed like police’: Wife describes fear, confusion before death of Toronto police Const. Northrup
The man and woman screamed, “Get out, get out,” but Aaida Shaikh said she had no idea her family was being approached by police until after Const. Jeffrey Northrup was
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Isn’t the entire point of police officers being undercover or in plain clothes so that the public will not recognize them as police officers? If so, plain clothes officers should never interact with the public in their official role. If plain clothes cops walked up to my car in a parking lot I’d be locking the doors and looking to escape. And if I saw them flash what they claim is a police badge ($5 at Party City), I’d call 911 and tell them to send a uniform officer here.
Toronto police procedure needs to be amended, so that plain clothes officers never approach the public in their official capacity unless they’re making an immediate arrest. Otherwise, your job is to observe in disguise, and if TPS interactions with the public are necessary, call in a uniformed officer.
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Admiral Beez
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Not a TPS matter, but I hope we have strict rules on when to engage and call off pursuits. Three innocents dead over a non-theft at the Lcbo?
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picard102
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Is this about the lack of 911 operators? The city needs to do something about how understaffed they are, including paying them more if that's what it will take to not have all operators busy anytime you call.
Northern Light
Superstar
From way back in 2021:
The top earner in this job for TPS last year not only made the sunshine list, they earned over 180k; that must be a lot of overtime, experience pay and shift premiums.
Communications Operator salary info | Ontario Sunshine List
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While the starting pay could always be higher.............
My read is that retention issues are likely more burnout related.
Partly due to under staffing and mandatory overtime.
But you also have to deal with rotating shifts, long shifts, and you get only 2 weeks paid vacation in your first year on the job.
I suspect addressing those latter points would be more helpful than a substantial pay rise.
lenaitch
Senior Member
I suspect those top earners are civilian (non-police) department managers.From way back in 2021:
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The top earner in this job for TPS last year not only made the sunshine list, they earned over 180k; that must be a lot of overtime, experience pay and shift premiums.
Communications Operator salary info | Ontario Sunshine List
Search the list of people with the position 'Communications Operator' that appeared on Ontario's sunshine list.www.ontariosunshinelist.com
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While the starting pay could always be higher.............
My read is that retention issues are likely more burnout related.
Partly due to under staffing and mandatory overtime.
But you also have to deal with rotating shifts, long shifts, and you get only 2 weeks paid vacation in your first year on the job.
I suspect addressing those latter points would be more helpful than a substantial pay rise.